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固定收益市场动荡:美债收益率飙升引发通胀担忧与央行干预预期

Treasury 30-Year Yield's Continuous Rise Reveals Inflation Worry

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I think it's pretty clear that the epicenter of what has been happening over the last couple of weeks, couple of months, really has been the fixed income market. And, uh, like, we, um, we merged, uh, expanded data with the vendor earlier this year, right, to get the, the equity coverage as a part of what we offer and even the equity space. Like all the questions, uh, fixed income related. Now, like, uh, when is this dramatic rise going to stop?

我认为很明显,过去几周、几个月真正发生的事件的中心是固定收益市场。嗯,就像我们今年早些时候与供应商合并并扩展了数据,对吧?目的是将股票覆盖范围作为我们提供的一部分,甚至包括整个股票领域。比如所有与固定收益相关的问题。现在,这种急剧的上涨何时会停止?

Right? When is equity is going to be okay again? So I think that epicenter is very clear. Do you need dollar to break is a change agent. Do you need to see do I go 199 94. And I you know does it need to finally break. So I think when this kind of really interesting environment right, where currency markets haven't really moved that much except the Korean one that has been on this crazy I and maybe not crazy, uh, understandable eye, uh, trend.

对吧?股市何时能恢复常态?所以我认为中心非常明确。是否需要美元贬值来成为变革的推动者?是否需要看到像1994年那样的情况?你知道它是否最终需要打破僵局。所以我认为在这种非常有趣的环境中,货币市场除了韩国市场外并没有太大波动,而韩国市场一直处在这种疯狂的(也许不是疯狂,而是可以理解)趋势中。

But I think what we're looking to in currency markets is we're going to get to a point where the fixed income markets are going to, uh, be at a kind of breaking point where we're going to have to have some kind of intervention. Right? We can have 30 year yields continuing to go up, you know, every few months. 50 basis point is not going to be sustainable. And we've seen it already in the US right. Scott Benson came in and said we're going to try to stabilize with the buybacks.

但我认为我们在货币市场中看到的是,我们将到达一个临界点,即固定收益市场将达到某种破裂点,届时我们必须进行某种干预。对吧?30年期收益率每隔几个月继续上升50个基点是不可持续的。而且我们已经在美国看到了这一点。Scott Benson 进来表示我们将尝试通过回购来稳定局势。

Now you discussed it early this morning right. Hasn't really had a huge impact so far. Right. But eventually we'll have to have some type of backstop from central bank balance sheets or other balance sheet to stop it. And that will be when the currencies react. Right. Because that's when the market, you see, okay, there's a liquidity that's coming in to stop the yields rising and that's going to then move into the currencies.

今天早上你讨论过这个问题,对吧?到目前为止还没有产生巨大影响。但终究我们需要央行资产负债表或其他资产负债表提供某种形式的后盾来阻止这一趋势。而这将是货币做出反应的时候。因为那时市场会看到,有流动性正在涌入以阻止收益率上升,随后这将传导至货币市场。

We're not there yet, but I think this year is a transition year where we'll get to that point. And just looking at your notes here and as you talk about the the long and moving higher, you talk about a corporate bond deal that may be impacting the Paramount's in the market was $52 billion worth of investment grade high yield bank loan, Lot of paper come into the market, but I've never heard or seen anybody discussing whether a corporate bond deal could impact the broader Treasury market.

我们尚未到达那个阶段,但我认为今年是过渡之年,我们将到达那个阶段。看着你的笔记,当你谈到长期国债走高时,你提到了一笔可能影响市场 Paramounts 的公司债券交易,涉及520亿美元的投资级高收益银行贷款。大量票据进入市场,但我从未听说或见过任何人讨论公司债券交易是否会冲击更广泛的国债市场。

No, I think it's it's when the markets are so on edge, as we're seeing right now, like the catalyst kind of broadens out. And even smaller things can actually kind of destabilise the markets. So, uh, obviously there's a lot of focus on the hyperscale issuance. Right, which is now starting to compete in the long end, uh, with the US Treasury market as being like like an equally important issue from the US Treasury. Right.

不,我认为当市场处于如此紧张的状态时,就像我们目前所见的那样,催化剂的影响范围会扩大。甚至一些微小的事件实际上都可能使市场陷入不稳定。因此,显然人们非常关注超大规模发行。对,这现在开始在长期端与美国国债市场展开竞争,被视为与美国国债同等重要的发行。对。

It's something that a couple of years ago you said that under that we when we do the projections into 2007, it looks like the issuance above ten year, because the data centers are very long term financing projects, it could be of roughly the same magnitude as the Treasury is. Yeah. If I come here and set this a couple of years ago, you probably kicked me out of the studio saying, okay, what what are you smoking? So but this bond selloff.

几年前你曾说过,当我们把预测延伸到2007年时,十年期以上的发行量看起来很大,因为数据中心是非常长期的融资项目,其规模可能与国债大致相当。是的。如果我在几年前这么说,你可能会把我赶出演播室,问:你在抽什么?所以但这次债券抛售。

It's been a global issue. It's not just the US. So what is that telling you. Yeah. So what we've seen it over the last couple of years right. That global bond markets are so tied to the US that it's quite hard to see any decoupling. Uh, but I do think if you look at the curve shapes, you can see like the most extreme extreme example is Switzerland, right? Where they have no, that you don't have curve steepening there.

这是一个全球性问题。不仅仅是美国的问题。那这告诉了你什么呢?是的。所以我们过去几年看到的正是这一点。全球债券市场与美国紧密相连,很难看到任何脱钩的迹象。但我认为,如果你观察收益率曲线的形状,你会发现最极端的例子是瑞士,对吧?在那里,曲线没有变陡。

So there is some differences. And I would also say if you look at this week right. And even today like which curves are steepening, the US curve is still steepening to today. The French curve is still steepening today. So um, that does seem to be a trend where okay, global bond yields are correlated. Right. But the slope of the curve is more problematically steep in the places where the debt issues are the most severe.

因此存在一些差异。我还要说,如果你看本周的情况,甚至是今天哪些曲线在变陡,美国的曲线到今天仍在变陡。法国的曲线到今天也在变陡。所以这似乎是一个趋势,即全球债券收益率是相关的。对。但债务问题最严重的地方,曲线的斜率变得更加陡峭,这是一个更棘手的问题。

Yeah. Norvig, with us, we're going to continue with them coming up. Uh, Lisa Abramowicz, Ken Griffin on his, uh, very important day for Pittsburgh's Carnegie Mellon as they look to Miami. I'll give you a treatment on there in a moment. We are advantage to have guns north with us. With these headlines, let me go through these bombshell headlines. BMW of Germany targets shedding a fifth of managers for a BMW targets 3 to 5%.

是的。Norvig,和我们在一起,我们将继续让他们上来。Uh,Lisa Abramowicz,Ken Griffin在他非常重要的日子为匹兹堡的卡内基梅隆大学,因为他们看向迈阿密。我稍后会给你一个处理。我们有优势让guns north与我们在一起。通过这些头条新闻,让我过一遍这些爆炸性头条新闻。德国的宝马目标削减五分之一的管理者,宝马目标3%到5%。

Auto making return on sales two years out. BMW expects management cuts to be completed by summer of next year. BMW management job cuts are part of an eye buyout, whatever that means. BMW to add more high end models above the X7. BMW to reduce variance to discontinue some, uh, models. I look at this again and it just speaks of the impact of China. I mean, it just screams for Volkswagen, BMW for Ford a Jim, your thoughts on how China is pricing their goods.

汽车制造两年后的销售回报率。宝马预计管理层削减将在明年夏季前完成。宝马的管理层裁员是某种“眼买”(eye buyout)的一部分,不管那是什么意思。宝马将在X7之上增加更多高端车型。宝马将减少差异并停产一些车型。我再次审视这一点,它仅仅反映了中国的影响。我的意思是,这简直是在为大众、宝马和福特尖叫,吉姆,你对中国如何为其商品定价有什么看法?

Yeah, absolutely. Like we a couple of decades ago, there was this concern that Japan was going to take over. Right. And, uh, the Japanese automakers were gaining market share from everybody, including the US ones. And now we look at what's happening in China. Right. And the speed at which China is taking market share globally is so much faster than what Japan ever did. And obviously, uh, the headlines you're reading out, right, the reflection of that, like German car producers, uh, just really pressured number one, because they don't sell cars in China almost at all anymore.

是的,绝对如此。就像几十年前一样,人们曾担心日本会接管市场。没错。而且,日本汽车制造商正在从所有人手中夺取市场份额,包括美国公司。而现在我们看看中国正在发生什么。没错。中国在全球范围内夺取市场份额的速度比日本当年快得多。显然,你读到的头条新闻正是这种状况的反映,比如德国汽车生产商,尤其是排名第一的,因为现在他们几乎不再在中国卖车了,所以压力非常大。

And number two, because they also getting threatened at home just from the EVs. Yeah. So, uh, this is a very challenging situation for Germany. Like, the only office that they have really is that some of that production capacity is moving to military production, uh, because Germany is ramping up their defense spending. That's the only offset. But we also have the much higher natural gas prices. So the challenges, uh, are multifold.

第二,因为他们在本土也受到了电动汽车的威胁。是的。所以,这对德国来说是一个非常严峻的局面。他们唯一的安慰是,部分生产能力正在转向军事生产,因为德国正在增加国防开支。这是唯一的抵消因素。但我们还有高得多的天然气价格。因此,挑战是多方面的。

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