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Brooks and Capehart on Trump’s record-low economic approval rating
E DEAL WITH IRAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RECORD LOW RATING ON THE ECONOMY ACCORDING TO OUR NEW POLL, AND MORE, WE TURN TO BROOKS AND CAPEHART. THAT'S THE ATLANTIC'S DAVID BROOKS, AND JONATHAN CAPEHART OF MS NOW. GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH. LET'S START OFF WITH THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE U.S. AND IRAN SIGNED THIS WEEK. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR HOW MUCH IRAN GETS , BUT YOU HEARD A GUEST SAY THE WAR HAD TO COME TO AN END SO THAT MAKES IT A GOOD DEAL AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. IS THE U.S. BETTER OFF NOW?
>> NO. I'M GLAD THE WAR IS OVER. IT STARTS THE ECONOMY AND PEOPLE STOP DYING. NAPOLEON HAS THIS FAMOUS PHRASE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO WAR THE MORAL IS TO THE MATERIAL AS 3-1, THE MORAL IS THREE TIMES AS IMPORTANT. HOW DID WE LOSE A WAR TO IRAN WITH THEIR MILITARY AND THEIR POWER?
IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT MORE AND THEY HAD LEADERSHIP THAT WOULD DO WHATEVER IT TOOK TO WIN THE WAR AND WE DIDN'T. OUR PRESIDENT WAS NOT TOUGH ENOUGH TO FIGHT THIS WAR AND YOU SHOULD NOT FIGHT A WAR THAT YOU ARE NOT TOUGH ENOUGH TO FIGHT. IT IS A DEBACLE FOR AMERICA. AMNA: WHAT DO OTHER OPTION IS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE?
DOMESTIC PRESSURE, ECONOMIC PRESSURE. WAS IT A GOOD FIRST STEP TO MOVE FORWARD? >> IS THE WAR TRULY OVER? AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WHAT IS AS WE ARE TALKING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. THE PRESIDENT NEEDED IN OFFRAMP. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT TO HIM AND ABOUT HIM FOR AT LEAST A FEW WEEKS NOW SO FINALLY HE HAS TAKEN THE OFFRAMP BUT I HESITATE TO CALL THIS A DEAL. YOU USE THE RIGHT PHRASING. MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. THE HARD PART COMES NOW. IN THESE 60 DAYS, THESE TECHNICAL NEGOTIATIONS THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SPENT TWO SOLID, PAINSTAKING YEARS, WENDY SHERMAN I THINK ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE BASICALLY MOVED TO SWITZERLAND TO HELP NEGOTIATE THIS. FIVE OTHER COUNTRIES WERE INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATION OF THE JCPOA, THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP RIPPED IT UP. DOES ANYONE BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A SUITABLE ALTERNATIVE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE IN 60 DAYS?
I JUST DO NOT SEE IT HAPPENING. AMNA: WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AS WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IT. THE WAR WAS LEADING TO HIGHER GAS PRICES, A BIG CONCERN FOR AMERICANS WHOSE NUMBER ONE CONCERN REMAINS THE ECONOMY. 33% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY APPROVE OF THE WAY PRESIDENT TRUMP IS HANDLING THE ECONOMY. THAT IS THE LOWEST SINCE MARIST BEGAN ASKING THAT QUESTION. THE POLL FOUND 70% OF AMERICANS SAY HIGH GAS PRICES HAVE AFFECTED THEIR HOUSEHOLD BUDGET. MR. TRUMP IS NOT ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE MESSAGE REPUBLICANS WANTED TO BE RUNNING ON. >> 45% OF AMERICANS SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE A SUMMER VACATION IN PART BECAUSE OF COSTS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD AT UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE REAL WAGES ARE GOING DOWN. IF IT IS GOING UP SLOWER THAN INFLATION, THEY KNOW RIGHT AWAY AND THEY PUNISHED JOE BIDEN FOR IT. I IMAGINE THEY WILL PUNISH THE REPUBLICANS FOR IT. THIS WAS COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE. WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE MUCH WITH THE WAR AND WE BOOSTED INFLATION AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO COME DOWN ANYTIME SOON AND GAS PRICES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN BUT NOT ANYTIME SOON AND THE NORMAL RULE IN POLITICS IS HOW THE ECONOMY IS SIX MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION DAY DETERMINES HOW PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT. I CAN'T DO THE MATH, BUT THAT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND SIX. SO SOMEWHERE AROUND NOW PEOPLE ARE REFLECTING. AMNA: I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH AT THIS JOB. GO AHEAD. [LAUGHTER] WHAT IS THE MESSAGE GOING FORWARD FOR REPUBLICANS?
>> IT IS SUPER HARD TO DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM DRUM. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TAX CUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S HARD TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC MESSAGE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ANYMORE AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN AGENDA AND THEY CAN TRY TO PLAY THE SOCIAL ISSUES BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO FLY. AMNA: DEMOCRATS FIND THEMSELVES IN A POSITION WHICH IS THE MORE TRUSTED PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY. ARE THEY MAKING THE MOST OF THIS MOMENT?
>> YES, I THINK THEY ARE AND I THINK THEY WILL MAKE EVEN MORE OF IT IF THE SITUATION DOESN'T CHANGE BY CERTAINLY THROUGH THE SUMMER BUT DEFINITELY BY THE FALL. I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE, THIS IS MORE OF A REPUBLICAN PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SADDLED WITH AN UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT WHO HAS NO MESSAGE DISCIPLINE. THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND SOME STORY THAT I READ A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE SHE SAID IN A MEETING, LET TRUMP BE TRUMP AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAMMER AWAY AT COSTS AND AFFORDABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE IN AN ADMINISTRATION WHERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PARTICULARLY THIS ONE COMMANDS THE ATTENTION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES AND WHAT HAVE WE SEEN OVERALL WEEKS?
THE EVENT MIGHT BE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, BUT HE WILL VENTURE OFF INTO TALKING ABOUT THE BALLROOM AND OTHER THINGS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT. THEY WANT TO KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BRING PRICES DOWN?
AS LONG AS THE PRESIDENTS ARE DOING -- PRESIDENT IS DOING THAT AND DEMOCRATS HAMMER AWAY AT AFFORDABILITY, THEY HAVE BEEN, DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ON A PRETTY GOOD RUN OF SHOWING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THINGS ECONOMICALLY AREN'T WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. >> THE THING THAT COULD HELP REPUBLICANS IS YOU USED TO HAVE SWINGS OF 60, 40, 20 SEATS, THOSE DAYS ARE LONG GONE,'S AND I WAS SWING OF SEVEN SEATS FOR THE DEMOCRATS WOULD GIVE THEM THE MAJORITY BUT THAT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL AND WE ARE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE THESE. AMNA: REPUBLICANS ARE DEALING WITH ANOTHER PROBLEM AND STAY WITH ME AS I LAY THIS OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN TENSION BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS PARTY BEFORE BUT NOT LIKE THIS WEEK. WE SAW GOP SENATORS OPENLY SLAMMED THE IRAN DEAL BUT THE PRESIDENT BLINDSIDED REPUBLICANS WHERE HE SAID HIS PICK TO BE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE J CLAYTON WOULD NOT SHOW UP TO HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING HOURS BEFORE IT WAS SCHEDULED TO START AND THEN HE DEMANDED REPUBLICANS ATTACH STALLED ELECTION RESTRICTION LEGISLATION WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS TO A POWERFUL SURVEILLANCE BILL THAT NEEDS TO BE REAUTHORIZE THE DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WOULD VOTE FOR IF CLAYTON WAS CONFIRMED. IF YOU ARE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER JOHN THUNE, WHAT DO YOU DO RIGHT NOW?
>> I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE LAST TIME A PRESIDENT PUT THE SLOW DOWN ON ONE OF HIS OWN NOMINEES. USUALLY THE OTHER PARTY TRIES TO SLOW DOWN NOMINEES. IF YOU ARE JOHN THUNE, YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING GOING. YOU GOT A RESPONSIBLE GUY IN THERE. YOU GOT J CLAYTON, YOU GOT A RESPONSIBLE, GOOD NOMINEE, AND THEN I'M SURE HE'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON TRUTH SOCIAL WHEN HE GETS UP IN THE MORNING, POOR JOHN THUNE AND SENATOR KENNEDY SAID, WHO DOESN'T LIKE JOHN THUNE?
IT'S NOT LIKING A GOLDEN RETRIEVER, HE'S THE NICEST GUY AND A VERY GOOD LEADER AND HE'S DOING THE BEST HE CAN AND HARD CIRCUMSTANCES WITHOUT BLOWING UP OR TOTALLY KOWTOWING TO TRUMP AND TRUMP IS MAKING HIS LIFE MISERABLE. AMNA: MAKING THIS HAPPEN IS KEEPING -- WOULD TAKE SCRAPPING THE FILIBUSTER. HE SAID HE WOULD NOT -- JOHN THUNE SAID HE WOULD NOT SCRAP THE FILIBUSTER. >> WITH GOOD REASON. AMNA: HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THIS, JOHN?
>> WHICH PART OF IT?[LAUGHTER] THE CASE YOU LAID OUT, CAN'T TRUST THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT VALUES LOYALTY, BUT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP LOYALTY IS A ONE-WAY STREET, WHICH MEANS THAT IF HE TELLS YOU ONE DAY THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THE RUG TO BE PULLED OUT FROM UNDER YOU AND JOHN THUNE HAS HAD THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM UNDER HIM SO MANY TIMES THIS YEAR THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE MOMENT WHEN MAJORITY LEADER SOON JUST BLOWS HIS TOP AND STANDS OUT FOR HIS CAUCUS, FOR THE CHAMBER, AND ALSO FOR THE ARTICLE ONE BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVE LONG BEEN NOW I KEEP SAYING THIS, THE STAFFING ARM OF THE EXECUTIVE. AT SOME POINT, SOMEONE IN THAT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO SAY ENOUGH OF THIS AND MAYBE THAT WILL COME ONCE ALL THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES ARE OVER AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THE GROUND IS AND MAYBE THEY WILL SHOW SOME INDEPENDENCE BUT BY THEN IT MIG
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