Anthropic IPO估值或达1.5万亿美元，超募情况优于SpaceX

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We've earnings that have made investors breathe a sigh of relief. Brody, good to have you here. What part of that report was so important to investors that they are rushing into shares of Core? We've rushing into, uh, other NIO clouds, rushing into almost anything I related today. Yeah. Thank you for having me. We have been having a lot of apocalyptic type fears toward the NIO clouds in the last couple of weeks. And so when they came out and said that we have a couple of different ways to raise funds, we're not going to be hitting the unsecured debt market.

We're going to be able to get customer prepayment, be able to get vendor financing. This is what really helped made people feel better about the situation. Brody but if you go back and look at just core, we've since it went public. I mean, this is a company that's still down more than 66% from the highs of last year. Even with today's 25% increase, when you zoom out on the chart, I mean, it's climbing a hill, but it's at the bottom of that hill.

These are really volatile companies. I mean, the Neo Cloud's just as a recap, they have made their business on the compute shortage, saying that we can get an Nvidia chip allocation. We can get the data centers built very quickly. And the question has been, is that a good business to be in because they're incredibly leveraged. Right. And so last night before we was able to say that the leverage may be there handling it well, but as you said, there's still down quite a bit.

Yeah. I mean, let's not forget. Right, Brody? I mean, Corey is going to have to spend they're going to have to tap probably debt markets for necessary capital to continue the bill that's necessary to meet the demand that they showed us in this report, you know, adding to their debt levels, adding to their interest expense. They basically got to grow their way out of this, right? That revenue growth has to continue. Totally.

And the fact that the demand is massive, that was not a surprise last night. What is the surprise is that they're getting very creative. Um, I think the idea that they're going to get more vendor financing, likely from key suppliers like Nvidia, and then have customers pay upfront. It just shows that there's a growing recognition that a single company can't shoulder all of the upfront costs. And they seem to be succeeding in convincing their partners to pay a little more of their share.

Early on. So, Brody, is this what makes, uh, a company like Core Weave unique? Or a neo cloud like core? We've unique and nebulous is also up today. 17.5% in sympathy. What separates one one Neil Cloud from another? If you ask them, they'll sing a beautiful song about software differentiation, but not a whole lot. Right? That they're differentiated on their execution, on their relationships. But at the end of the day, they're plugging ships into big buildings and trying to set them up quickly and not get bogged down by government delays.

They're all playing the same game. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Businessweek daily coming up after this. And. Now to next week's anthropic IPO, now said to be multiple times oversubscribed. Also, the Financial Times Out reporting that anthropic bankers are weighing plans to increase the company's valuations valuation in the initial public offering to $1.5 trillion or more. That number sounds familiar. Uh, what with more on what may turn out to be the biggest IPO listing of all time.

We bring back Bloomberg News senior IPO reporter Bailey Lipschitz joining us from new Jersey. I mean, Bailey, the hits keep on coming when it comes to anthropic. How oversubscribed is this? How much do we know here. We don't have a specific number, Carol. But the one thing to keep in mind and just trying to provide a little bit of context, we're a day and a half into this marketing, and for all intents and purposes, the deal is more oversubscribed than space was at this point.

So taking that is a bit of a positive side again. One thing to remember, though, is the IPO portion of this potential fundraise is smaller than it. And then space is was this $90 billion does include the $26 billion private placement. So more oversubscribed than SpaceX. As its chairman, you joked. Unsurprising. We have rubber will really start to meet the road later this week and into next week, when valuation really is more teased out whether investors are over inflating interest at the bottom of the range, or if they're going to come back and say, you know, 1.5 trillion sounds good.

Is there a chance, though? Not even on the valuation front, but on the question of how many shares anthropic ends up selling, that they could use this to their advantage to actually raise more money in that IPO? I think that would be the whole logic behind it. When you think about the round number of 100 billion, including the private placement in the green shoe. That's the number that we and others have been circling really since August is the upper bounds.

But when you talk to investors now, the view is really get out and raise as much money as you can in this moment. Yes. We don't know what the rest of this year looks like. We don't know what next year with the big changes in potential changes in DC from a regulatory standpoint, we'll look like hit the road. Now if that $100 billion number gets higher. Actually, some of the investors I speak to are even more optimistic.

Again, just because that at least buys you some more time before having to re visit the equity market or visit the debt market. How much the kind of market enthusiasm that we've seen come back. Coming off of core we've earnings just the sentiment. You know investors buying back uh in a big way. Barely the eye trade once again how that is maybe helping sentiment as they market this IPO. It's massive. But when we think back to Thursday we had reported that some folks on the buy side were pushing for closer to $1.1 trillion.

Again, they launched at 1.4 there multiple times, oversubscribed after a day of marketing. The sentiment really has shifted on a dime. The big question when I talk to folks on the banking side or the investing side, though, comes back to we still have a few days, we still have a weekend with who knows what's going to happen from a geopolitical standpoint. And also, as you guys mentioned, we do have Nvidia earnings next week.

And uh, whether or not Jensen makes an appearance and what is addressed or not addressed is going to weigh on people's minds just again, because as much as we want to talk about anthropic being an end of one and so unique of a company, it does still fit into the broader AI ecosystem. And that's something that really has been on full display. Where exactly is the demand for this coming from? I mean, we've spoken in the past to Robin Hood, CFO, for example, about his attempt to get a big share for his retail investors, given his experience over its, uh, with space.

We're talking about Shiv Verma. We spoke to him just in the last few weeks. Where's the demand coming from right now? Everywhere in the real thing again with our reporting of the oversubscribed number, is that there aren't real multiple anchor orders. And when we talk about anchor orders, we're talking about checks being written between, you know, two and $10 billion, enough to really sop up a lot of the supply. So right now, really, if you think about how these deals are executed, now is the time when these bankers and management teams are meeting with some of the bigges