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Anthropic IPO获超倍数认购,估值或上调至1.5万亿美元

Anthropic’s IPO Is Said to Be Multiple Times Oversubscribed

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Anthropic作为AI领域核心标的,其IPO定价与超额认购情况直接反映一级市场资金对AI赛道的信心与估值锚点,且涉及罕见的IPO份额转售机制,值得重点关注。

Barely just started the roadshow. But if you follow the amended S1 and some of the indications you're hearing from investors, we reported this morning that it's already multiple times oversubscribed. A lot of that is coming from your anchor type investor. So this is in some sort of retail mania driving this. This is your long only manager. Think of names like, you know, maybe like Wellington or Blackrock. Hypothetically speaking, those are the kind of names that are putting in big orders, and bankers sound confident about it.

路演才刚刚开始。但如果你关注修订后的S-1文件以及从投资者那里听到的一些信号,我们今早报道显示,该股票已经多次超额认购。其中很大一部分来自你的锚定型投资者。因此,这在某种程度上是由散户狂热所推动的。这是你的长期多头基金经理。想想那些名字,比如惠灵顿或贝莱德。假设性地来说,正是这类机构在提交大额订单,银行家对此显得信心十足。

There was another report late last night from the Financial Times which said that, you know, even the s even though the S-1 indicated a fully diluted valuation of 1.4 trillion, they could already talking about bumping it up to about 1.5 trillion. And if you get to that mark, that takes you back to about three weeks back when people were starting to wonder again over the summer, bankers had privately floated this idea that this company could be worth 1.75, even $2 trillion.

昨晚晚些时候,《金融时报》有另一份报道称,尽管S-1文件显示完全稀释估值为1.4万亿美元,但他们已经在讨论将其上调至约1.5万亿美元。如果达到这个水平,那就回到了大约三周前,当时人们在夏季开始再次产生疑问,银行家私下曾提出过这家公司可能值1.75万亿甚至2万亿美元的想法。

But there was a serious price reset. And especially with the reset in the eye trade, there were real questions of where anthropic valuation could come in at and 1.5 trillion actually seem like the top end of what the expectations were. People were talking about 1.4 to 1.5, possibly going below that as low as $1.1 trillion. But based on the initial expression of interest, some some of the big players, and it's very clear that the lead banks seem very confident as obviously the cornerstone investors, they've already lined up for about 26 billion of the roughly $90 billion raised already.

但此前发生了一次严重的价格重置。尤其是由于AI交易领域的重置,人们真的对Anthropic的估值会落在何处产生了疑问,而1.5万亿美元实际上似乎已经是预期的上限。人们谈论的是1.4万亿到1.5万亿美元,甚至可能低于此数,低至1.1万亿美元。但基于初步的兴趣表达,一些大型参与者——而且很明显,牵头银行显得非常自信,作为基石投资者,他们已为这约900亿美元融资中的约260亿美元做好了安排。

So the 1.5 trillion seems like a real possibility. And with the core we've earnings last night, the fact that there's some strength returning to the eye trade. Eh. Don't be surprised if this prices at adorable 1.5 trillion and there could be a little bit of a pop after that. Absolutely. I mean, kind of speaking to that expectations, I'm kind of curious. You did also talk about how investors are already reselling access to their expected IPO allocations.

因此,1.5万亿美元的估值看起来是一个真正的可能性。随着昨晚核心财报的发布,以及AI交易领域出现的一些回暖迹象。嗯。如果此次定价为令人喜爱的1.5万亿美元,且之后可能出现小幅上涨,请不要感到惊讶。绝对如此。我的意思是,谈到这种预期,我有点好奇。你也提到投资者已经在转售其预期的IPO配额份额。

What does that kind of tell us right now about, like the appetite for this type of mega deal? I mean, that's just a fascinating change in the IPO market. And Paul, maybe you have some fascinating so but back in my day with now and again, we were speaking to some folks, one of the institutional, one of the brokerages that was actually shopping this deal. We spoke to one of the executives there, and he said the first time they really saw anything like this was during the space IPO, and they were really skeptical whether these things could clear.

这目前向我们揭示了关于此类巨型交易的市场 appetite(需求/胃口)怎样的情况?我的意思是,IPO 市场发生了如此令人着迷的变化。Paul,也许你有一些有趣的见解,但回想我当年偶尔与一些机构或正在推销这笔交易的券商人士交谈时,我们曾与其中一位高管交流,他表示他们第一次真正见到类似的情况是在太空领域的 IPO 期间,当时他们对这些交易能否顺利交割持怀疑态度。

And quite a few of those deals cleared. This is not this is not someone trying to offload their locked up shares that that you can get after. And then you can look to release after the IPO. This is investment firms that are expecting a sizable allocation already trying to de-risk a portion of that, or trying to broaden their investor base by trying to attract new LPs, offering them the sort of deal for a pretty steep upfront price.

而且相当数量的交易最终都顺利交割了。这并不是有人试图在锁定期结束后抛售其锁定股份,然后你可以期待在 IPO 后解禁。这是投资机构已经预期获得可观的份额,正试图通过此举降低部分风险,或者试图通过吸引新的有限合伙人(LPs)来扩大其投资者基础,为此他们提供了一笔以相当高的前期价格成交的交易。

That seems like a fairly but risk free trade to me. And this is the reporting by you and by Billy Schultz. Jones Trading Institutional Services is marketing a block of anthropic shares of up to $500 million on behalf of investors, with a fee of 3 to 5%, on top of where the initial public offering price prices. I haven't seen that before back when I was doing this stuff for a living. But that's more liquidity for some of these long time potential owners, I guess.

在我看来,这似乎是一笔相当……无风险的套利交易。这是由你和 Billy Schultz 报道的消息:Jones Trading Institutional Services 代表投资者营销一批价值高达 5 亿美元的 Anthropic 股份,费用为 3% 至 5%,这是在初始公开募股定价之上的额外费用。在我靠做这行谋生时,我还从未见过这种情况。但这意味着这些长期潜在所有者中的某些人获得了更多的流动性,我想。

But that's the thing. You know, it's not necessarily just these long term potential. These are people who are looking to get in on the new IPO. They are saying, look, we're a big enough name and we expect to get a sizable allocation and we're willing to offload some of that for a fee again, once again proving that if you have to find real sources of Alpha in the morning in the market, there are a lot of hedge funds that are purely in the buying flip business that like to operate in the newest IPO market, and that's where they find their edge.

但问题就在这里。你知道,这不一定仅仅是这些长期潜在投资者。这些人正试图参与新的 IPO。他们的意思是:看,我们名气够大,预计能获得可观的份额分配,我们愿意为了收取一笔费用而抛售其中一部分。这再次证明,如果你必须在早晨的市场中寻找真正的 Alpha(超额收益)来源,那么有很多对冲基金纯粹从事买入并转售的业务,他们喜欢在最新的 IPO 市场中运作,而那里正是他们找到自身优势的地方。

This here shows us that access is the new alpha, and that is the alpha that's here to stay. Perhaps super interesting, especially as we look ahead to potentially OpenAI going public next year is kind of the types of transactions that we're expecting to become more common. Or is it still going to be kind of rare? Look, I think you can definitely think of why these trends, these transactions would be interesting with names like SpaceX and anthropic where there is just so much embedded interest.

这表明获取渠道(access)就是新的 Alpha,而这种 Alpha 将长期存在。或许特别有趣的是,当我们展望明年 OpenAI 可能上市时,我们正在预期这类交易会变得更为常见。还是说它们仍将保持某种程度的稀有性?看,我认为你可以清楚地理解为什么像 SpaceX 和 Anthropic 这样具有巨大内在兴趣的公司,会让这些趋势和交易显得如此引人注目。

Yes, maybe we get an OpenAI IPO early next year and maybe we see similar trends with that. But once you get beyond these big names, it is hard to imagine that this is the kind of residual demand that will be there for almost every other IPO. I can't imagine this kind of change scaling, but for the biggest names and the biggest ideas. Yeah, this is a new source of making money for sure. Um, looking at space because that's kind of the comp in terms of size of deal.

是的,也许明年年初我们会看到 OpenAI 上市,也可能会看到类似趋势。但一旦超出这些巨头公司,很难想象这种残余需求会存在于几乎其他所有 IPO 中。我无法想象这种变化能够规模化,但对于最大的公司和最大的概念来说确实如此。是的,这肯定是一个新的赚钱来源。嗯,看看太空领域,因为就交易规模而言,那是可比对象。

Um, $140. And again, the IPO price of 135. So 30s left. I mean, that's kind of help, I would think this, this, this deal for anthropic is the fact that it has not gone anywhere since the IPO is perhaps not great news for Elon Musk, but it's not cratered. And that's a deal that came in at a $1.75 trillion valuation. We never seen a company go public at that valuation. So that was a proof point that you can still carry out these mega IPO.

嗯,140 美元。再次强调,IPO 价格为 135 美元。所以还剩 30 秒。我的意思是,这在某种程度上有帮助,我认为 Anthropic 这笔交易的情况是,自 IPO 以来它没有发生任何变化,这对埃隆·马斯克来说可能不是好消息,但它也没有崩盘。这笔交易的估值为 1.75 万亿美元。我们从未见过一家公司以该估值上市。因此这是一个证明点,表明你仍然可以完成这些巨型 IPO。

And with anthropic willing to come in at a more conservative valuation. Yes. That is definitely an encouraging sign.

而 Anthropic 愿意以更为保守的估值进入。是的。这绝对是一个令人鼓舞的信号。

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