LLM可直接读写权重:Weight Space Programming实现零样
[AINews] LLMs can read & write neural network weights: "Weight Space Programming" cuts Autoresearch out of the RSI loop
这是AI研究领域的范式级突破,LLM直接操控权重而非仅生成代码,为自主模型训练开辟了新路径,值得所有研究者关注。
Amid a deepening bear market for AI/tech (worthy of dark humor) with Anthropic bonds receiving a “junk” rating and OpenAI fundraise headlines, we continue to see very surprising capability finds in the community, such as today.
在AI/科技领域持续深化的熊市(值得黑色幽默)中,Anthropic债券获得“垃圾”评级,OpenAI融资成为头条新闻,我们继续在社区中看到非常令人惊讶的能力发现,例如今天的情况。
The best way to put today’s blockbuster paper in context is to recall Karpathy’s autoresearch from a mere 8 months ago, which presaged a summer of recursive self improvement fears:
要将今天的重磅论文置于背景中,最好的方式是回顾Karpathy仅仅8个月前进行的自主研究,它预示了关于递归自我改进的恐惧夏季:
Abstractly, the demonstration is that you can take a sufficiently smart model and through running a series of experiments across a compute cluster, train a model autonomously without human expertise or intervention. However, this is usually done by an involved process of writing PyTorch/Jax code and running compute and watching loss curves and reading evals and optimizing kernels and data and….
从抽象层面来看,该演示表明,你可以取一个足够聪明的模型,并通过在计算集群上运行一系列实验,自主训练一个模型,无需人类专业知识或干预。然而,这通常是通过编写PyTorch/Jax代码、运行计算、观察损失曲线、阅读评估结果以及优化内核和数据等繁琐过程来完成的……
Well, last month’s guest Alex Zhang comes back to coauthor a MONSTER discovery: what if you just ask a smart model to directly read and edit the weights of a dumber model?
好吧,上个月客座作者Alex Zhang回来共同撰写了一项重大发现:如果你直接要求一个智能模型去读取并编辑一个较笨模型的权重,会怎样?
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In ML this is the equivalent of not looking at source code, just directly seeing the 1’s and 0’s of (very small) compiled executables, and being able to 1) tell what they do, 2) oneshot-fix bugs given failed traces or, with 50 steps, improve in a general direction (possible overstatement here), 3) writing entire network weights from scratch in one shot, beating some independently trained models.
在机器学习领域,这相当于不看源代码,而是直接看到(非常小的)编译可执行文件的1和0,并且能够1) 判断它们的功能,2) 根据失败的追踪一次性修复bug,或者用50步在一般方向上改进(此处可能有夸大),3) 一次性从头编写整个网络权重,击败一些独立训练的模型。
If you believe that LLMs can truly fit and simulate everything given enough parameters (and in fact, LLMs are increasingly better calculators as you grow in size), then something like this was in theory bound to happen, but it is surprising nevertheless to have the ability suddenly emerge, as an independent reproduction seems to already have found:
如果你相信LLM在拥有足够参数时确实能拟合和模拟一切(事实上,随着规模扩大,LLM作为计算器变得越来越好),那么理论上类似的事情迟早会发生,但突然涌现出这种能力仍然令人惊讶,因为独立的复现似乎已经证实了这一点:
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Of course the exact thing we are really modeling is some variant of mechanistic interpretability (which could be done by hand), and right now unlikely to scale to more advanced tasks than simple games and RL policies, but the world has now gone from 0 to 1 on this very new RSI capability…. which will immediately put to use and explored due to its remarkable efficiency.
当然,我们真正建模的是某种机械可解释性的变体(可以手动完成),目前不太可能扩展到比简单游戏和强化学习策略更高级的任务,但世界在这一全新的RSI(递归自我改进)能力上已经从0突破到1……由于其显著的效率,这将立即被投入应用并进行探索。
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DeepSeek Open-Sources a "Super-agent" Harness Prototype
DeepSeek开源“超级代理”工具链原型
- Release: DeepSeek Harness published a long design article (article) and the dsh-superagent-prototype repo (repo link). An official English version followed (@tianyi).
- Architecture: One long-lived router session talks to humans and hands out work. Isolated workers run tasks in parallel, triggered by GitHub events (summary).
- Claimed results: In DeepSeek's own test, p95 completion time fell from 29.5 to 15.7 min versus a single session using subagents (summary).
- Design rationale from a reviewer: Final reviewer 崔添翼 (@tianyi) says "Super" means a layer above the working agent, not superior intelligence. He frames the core trade-off as cross-task continuity versus throughput (Zhihu summary).
- Stated limits: The harness has no built-in cross-session long-term memory yet. Separating state, compute and environment is mostly unimplemented. The prototype has only been validated in a small, trusted internal environment, and security, privacy and agent-to-agent communication remain open questions.
- Prior art: He acknowledges that other teams explored similar architectures months earlier.
- Practitioner reception: @badlogicgames says the design matches where Earendil is heading: a single long-lived entity, ad-hoc recursive delegation and cross-system event triggers. @omarsar0 calls it a "masterclass" in coordination-execution harness design. DeepSeek also says it aims to support pi and other major harnesses with each model generation (@tianyi).
- Critique: @teortaxesTex calls the write-up "something of a hot mess." He argues DeepSeek builds internal crutches around model weaknesses such as hallucination rather than making the system generally robust. He also notes Bloomberg covered a repo that had no English announcement (post).
- V4.1 naming confusion: A Renmin University FlashRSI README referenced deepseek-v4.1-pro, which prompted release speculation. Teortaxes says it is a placeholder: the real config uses v4-flash and v4-pro, and deepseek-v4.1-flash is not a valid ID (thread, follow-up). He also says the API fingerprints for V4.1F-1017 are unchanged (fingerprints).
- 发布:DeepSeek Harness 发表了一篇长篇设计文章(article)以及 dsh-superagent-prototype 仓库(repo link)。随后发布了官方英文版(@tianyi)。
- 架构:一个长期运行的路由器会话与人类交互并分发任务。隔离的工作节点并行运行任务,由 GitHub 事件触发(summary)。
- 声称的结果:在 DeepSeek 自身的测试中,与使用子代理的单个会话相比,p95 完成时间从 29.5 分钟降至 15.7 分钟(summary)。
- 评审者的设计理由:最终评审者崔添翼(@tianyi)表示,“Super”指的是工作代理之上的一层,而非更优越的智能。他将核心权衡框架为跨任务连续性与吞吐量之间(知乎摘要)。
- 声明的限制:该 harness 目前尚未内置跨会话的长期记忆。状态、计算和环境的分离大多未实现。该原型仅在小型、可信的内部环境中进行了验证,安全性、隐私性和代理间通信仍是待解决的问题。
- 先例技术:他承认其他团队早在几个月前就探索过类似的架构。
- 从业者反馈:@badlogicgames 表示该设计与 Earendil 的发展方向一致:单一长期实体、临时递归委派和跨系统事件触发。@omarsar0 称其为协调执行 harness 设计的“大师级课程”。DeepSeek 还表示,其目标是支持 pi 和其他主要 harness,以配合每次模型生成(@tianyi)。
- 批评:@teortaxesTex 称这篇博文“有些混乱不堪”。他认为 DeepSeek 围绕模型的弱点(如幻觉)构建了内部拐杖,而不是使系统具备普遍鲁棒性。他还指出彭博社报道了一个没有英文公告的仓库(帖子)。
- V4.1 命名混淆:中国人民大学 FlashRSI 的 README 引用了 deepseek-v4.1-pro,引发了版本发布的猜测。Teortaxes 表示这是一个占位符:实际配置使用的是 v4-flash 和 v4-pro,而 deepseek-v4.1-flash 不是有效 ID(线程,后续更新)。他还表示 V4.1F-1017 的 API 指纹未发生变化(指纹)。
Independent Evals and Frontier Model Signals
独立评估与前沿模型信号
- GDPx benchmark (SemiAnalysis): The benchmark covers 206 agentic tasks across 11 economically valuable domains, including chip design, SWE, finance and biology. The best model scores only 12% (launch).
- Results: Opus 5.5 leads at 12%. Gemini 4 Carbon is close behind at 10.9% at roughly 4x lower cost (breakdown).
- Reactions: @dylan522p apologized to Google, calling Carbon "spikier" but very strong in some areas. @demishassabis welcomed the benchmark.
- Analysis: @eliebakouch finds that removing safeguard-affected benchmarks changes the picture. In that view Carbon stays cheap, and Sol 6.1 is cheaper still. He also suggests OpenAI has stronger bio safeguards than Anthropic (note).
- Within-family comparison: Sol 6.1 and Astra score very similarly, Carbon beats Argon across the board, and Sonnet is strong at SWE (comparison).
- Possible bug: Some Argon cybersecurity runs may be affected by an Antigravity bug (report).
- Audit concerns: One satirical post complains that GDPx is not open source and is costly to audit (post).
- Epoch Capabilities Index: DeepSeek V4.1F-1017 scores 159, equal to GPT 5.5. That is 3 points above V4.1F-0910 and 10 above V4-Pro; Astra sits roughly 10 points higher (@teortaxesTex).
- Gap to Mythos: @scaling01 notes that no Chinese model has matched Mythos Preview (~161 ECI) after about 7 months.
- Weighting critique: @wenhaocha1 argues the unweighted ECI exaggerates the gap; weighting coding more heavily shrinks it to about 2 months.
- Spikiness: Teortaxes calls 1017 extremely spiky. It scores near zero on some SWE evals and approaches the frontier only on cybersecurity and quant trading (chart). He also flags "reward-hacking-shaped" behavior (post).
- October release roundup (Vals): Vals reports 15 releases and more than 500B eval tokens (@nikilravi).
- Open-weight leaders: Kimi K3.1 Pro is #1 among open-weight models, with DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 close behind and stronger at cyber.
- New open models: Meta's Muse Spark Open (816B total, 42B active) is the most capable US open-weight model. Reflection's Beam 1.0 has 500B total parameters, 23B active and 1M context. Mistral's Le Chonk (1T total, 52B active) ranks #5 among open-weight models.
- Upcoming model rumors (unconfirmed):
- GPT-6.2 Astra: Reportedly visible in Codex usage analytics, with a release "very soon" (@kimmonismus, @TokenGremlin).
- Mythos 5.5: Appears in the HTML of Anthropic's site, which describes Mythos as "our most capable model class for cybersecurity and biology research" (tip, text). The tagline covers all Mythos models (correction). The mention is absent from an Oct 23 snapshot (@AiBattle_).
- "Numbat" leak: The alleged Anthropic leak is likely fake, because parts of the weights exactly match random initialization (@kimmonismus).
- GDPx 基准测试(SemiAnalysis):该基准测试涵盖 11 个具有经济价值的领域中的 206 项代理任务,包括芯片设计、软件工程、金融和生物学。最佳模型得分仅为 12%(发布)。
- 结果:Opus 5.5 以 12% 的得分领先。Gemini 4 Carbon 紧随其后,得分为 10.9%,成本约为前者的四分之一(详情)。
- 反应:@dylan522p 向 Google 道歉,称 Carbon “波动性更大”,但在某些领域非常强劲。@demishassabis 欢迎该基准测试。
- 分析:@eliebakouch 发现,移除受安全保护影响的基准测试会改变局面。在这种视角下,Carbon 依然便宜,而 Sol 6.1 更便宜。他还建议 OpenAI 的生物安全保护比 Anthropic 更强(注)。
- 家族内比较:Sol 6.1 和 Astra 得分非常接近,Carbon 全面优于 Argon,Sonnet 在 SWE 方面表现强劲(比较)。
- 潜在 bug:部分 Argon 网络安全运行可能受到 Antigravity bug 的影响(报告)。
- 审计担忧:一篇讽刺帖子抱怨 GDPx 不是开源的,且审计成本高昂(帖子)。
- Epoch 能力指数:DeepSeek V4.1F-1017 得分为 159,与 GPT 5.5 持平。这比 V4.1F-0910 高出 3 分,比 V4-Pro 高出 10 分;Astra 大致高出 10 分(@teortaxesTex)。
- 与 Mythos 的差距:@scaling01 指出,大约 7 个月后,没有中国模型能追上 Mythos Preview(约 161 ECI)。
- 权重批评:@wenhaocha1 认为未加权的 ECI 夸大了差距;如果更重地加权编程能力,差距缩小至约 2 个月。
- 波动性:Teortaxes 称 1017 极其波动。它在某些 SWE 评估中得分接近零,仅在网络安全和量化交易方面接近前沿(图表)。他还指出了“奖励黑客式”行为(帖子)。
- 十月发布汇总(Vals):Vals 报告了 15 次发布和超过 500B 评估令牌(@nikilravi)。
- 开放权重领导者:Kimi K3.1 Pro 是开放权重模型中的第一名,DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 紧随其后,且在网络安全方面更强。
- 新开放模型:Meta 的 Muse Spark Open(总计 816B,活跃 42B)是最强大的美国开放权重模型。Reflection 的 Beam 1.0 拥有 500B 总参数,23B 活跃参数和 1M 上下文。Mistral 的 Le Chonk(总计 1T,活跃 52B)在开放权重模型中排名第五。
- 即将发布的模型传闻(未经证实):
- GPT-6.2 Astra:据报道在 Codex 使用分析中可见,将于“不久后”发布(@kimmonismus, @TokenGremlin)。
- Mythos 5.5:出现在 Anthropic 网站的 HTML 中,该网站将 Mythos 描述为“我们最强大的网络安全和生物研究模型系列”(提示,文本)。标语涵盖所有 Mythos 模型(更正)。该提及内容在 10 月 23 日的快照中缺失(@AiBattle_)。
- "Numbat" 泄露:据称的 Anthropic 泄露可能是假的,因为部分权重完全匹配随机初始化(@kimmonismus)。
Research: Representations, Domain Data and Agent Collectives
研究:表征、领域数据和智能体集体
- JEPA and the Platonic Representation Hypothesis: Balestriero and LeCun show that, under certain conditions, separately trained image and text JEPAs converge to essentially the same representation without paired data (summary).
- Claimed results: Their approach matches image-text alignment with 42x fewer samples than next-token prediction (21.6M vs 900M examples). A 109M text JEPA beats LLMs up to 72B on cross-modal alignment (explainer).
- JEPA与柏拉图表示假说:Balestriero和LeCun表明,在某些条件下,单独训练的图像和文本JEPA会在没有配对数据的情况下收敛到本质上相同的表示(摘要)。
- 声称的结果:他们的方法在跨模态对齐上比下一个词元预测少使用42倍样本(2160万对比9亿个示例)。一个拥有1.09亿参数的文本JEPA在跨模态对齐任务上超越了高达720亿参数的LLM(解释器)。
更进一步:量化金融体系
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