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美债收益率创2004年来新高,拍卖遇冷与通胀预期推升波动

Global Bond Rout Brings Highest US 30-Year Yield Since 2004

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直击宏观核心资产价格锚点,解析美债收益率飙升背后的多重驱动机制(政策、供需、波动率),为固定收益与跨资产配置提供关键决策依据。

This really is more like what interest rates should be and what interest rates historically have been. Right? So when you go back and you look at the forever history of interest rates and benchmark interest rates globally, they're usually between 3 and 6%, right? So where we're still within well within that range, we're just not used to it because we've had a whole generation of effectively zero interest rates. And that's just not the case anymore.

这实际上更接近利率本应有的水平,以及历史上利率的真实水平。对吧?所以当你回顾全球利率和基准利率的漫长历史时,它们通常处于3%到6%之间,对吧?因此我们目前仍处于这一合理区间内,只是因为我们经历了一代人的近乎零利率环境,对此感到不习惯而已。而这种情况已不再持续。

Um, now now that being said, I do think and Paul, I think this is to your comment about today's market move and certainly yesterday's eye popping market move as well, is that sentiment is just so bad, right? People don't want to take a step in and buy this market yet because they don't know where it's going to end up. Um, now there's some important technical levels that we can talk about. But at the end of the day, until everyone has some clarity as to what's going to go on with the war, will we have some type of fiscal restraint?

嗯,话虽如此,我认为——保罗,我想这回应了你关于今日市场走势以及昨日令人瞠目结舌的市场波动的评论——当前市场情绪非常糟糕,对吧?人们还不愿意入场买入,因为他们不知道市场最终会走向何方。嗯,当然有一些重要的技术点位我们可以探讨。但归根结底,在大家对战争走向以及是否会实施某种财政紧缩措施有了清晰认知之前……

Um, all of these things. And I'm not only talking about the US, I'm talking about globally. Um, you're likely to have some people who are going to be a little reluctant to buy government bonds. Absolutely. Until last week's rate hike, IRA. It was really questions about the Fed's independence and inflation credibility that drove this bond selloff. This week. We have data on a hotter than expected U.S. economy that's sinking bond.

嗯,所有这些情况。我不仅指美国,而是指全球范围。嗯,你可能会发现一些人不太愿意购买政府债券。绝对如此。直到上周加息前,《通胀削减法案》(IRA)引发了人们对美联储独立性和通胀可信度的质疑,从而导致了这次债券抛售。本周,数据显示美国经济热度超出预期,导致债券价格下跌。

So talk about the confluence of factors that's driving rising yields. Well it's still some of the fed to write that now that we're out of the quiet period. And after the fed meeting last week, you now have members of the FOMC coming out and saying, hey, we haven't seen a lot of progress on inflation. Well, that sounds pretty hawkish. So of course you're going to have, you know, somewhat higher interest rates and thinking, you know, how high is the Federal Reserve going to increase interest rates to now.

那么谈谈推动收益率上升的各种因素叠加效应吧。好吧,既然我们已经走出了静默期,美联储官员们现在可以公开发言了。在上周美联储会议之后,FOMC(联邦公开市场委员会)成员纷纷表态称,他们在通胀方面尚未看到显著进展。这听起来相当鹰派。因此,你自然会预期利率会有所上升,并思考美联储究竟会将利率提高多少。

You know the market now is pricing for 100 basis points of interest rate increases over the next year. Um, it will those be realized? I think, you know, there's obviously a lot that can go wrong, but you'd have to think that the market is going to remain on edge until we have answers to those questions. I think Kevin Morse did regain some credibility right, in the fact that he did hike. He did say, um, look, because inflation is not yet at our level, we're going to do what it takes to get inflation lower.

目前市场已将未来一年加息100个基点计入定价。嗯,这些预测会实现吗?我认为,显然存在许多不确定性,但你必须认为,在这些问题得到解答之前,市场将保持紧张状态。我认为凯文·沃什(Kevin Warsh)通过实际加息并明确表示“由于通胀尚未达到我们的目标水平,我们将采取必要措施降低通胀”,重新赢得了一些信誉。

So hiking gave them some credibility, but now they have to continue to maintain that credibility by actually following the market path, at least to some degree, without having any forward guidance. Okay. Also, auctions are big news now, right? Because we had a five year auction yesterday, it was a second worst ever by one measure. And I thought people liked the belly of the curve. Um, we have a seven year auction today at 1 p.m., and we know there's only going to be more debt issuance going forward, especially at the shorter end of the curve.

所以徒步旅行让他们获得了一些信誉,但现在他们必须通过实际遵循市场路径来维持这种信誉,至少在某种程度上如此,而且没有任何前瞻性指引。好的。另外,拍卖现在是重大新闻,对吧?因为我们昨天进行了一场五年期拍卖,从某项指标来看,这是有史以来第二差的拍卖。我以为人们喜欢收益率曲线中部的部分。嗯,我们今天下午1点将举行一场七年期拍卖,我们知道未来债务发行只会增加,尤其是在曲线的短期端。

So have U.S. Treasury auctions become kind of an event risk? Yeah, I think they well, they are an event risk. And you know, we always we look at them every single time we have one of these auctions from the two year to the 30 year because they're usually pretty boring. But when they're not, they're really not like yesterday's five year auction. You know what's interesting, Scarlet, is you mentioned that, you know, yes, we're issuing a lot of debt, but we haven't we actually have not increased the amount of long term debt that we've been issuing on a gross basis since 2023.

那么美国国债拍卖是否已经成为一种事件性风险?是的,我认为它们确实是事件性风险。你知道的,我们每次举行从两年期到三十年期的拍卖时都会关注它们,因为它们通常相当无聊。但当它们不无聊时,那就真的不像昨天的五年期拍卖那样了。Scarlet,有趣的是,你提到我们确实在发行大量债务,但实际上自2023年以来,我们在总额基础上并没有增加长期债务的发行量。

So it's not like it's not like there's a lot more debt being issued. And in fact, on a net basis, there's less being issued because, you know, a lot of this other debt has been been rolled down. But what what I think is important here is that people don't know what the end state of, um, the Fed's actions are going to be and how high inflation can remain. So with those two factors in there, people just, you know, they didn't show up to the auction like you said, depending on how you cut it.

所以并不是说发行的债务多得多。事实上,在净基础上,发行的债务更少,因为你知道的,许多其他债务已经被滚动展期。但我认为这里重要的是,人们不知道美联储行动的最终状态是什么,以及通胀能保持多高。因此,有了这两个因素,人们就像你说的,没有出现在拍卖会上,无论你怎么看。

It was the worst auction since either 2022 or 2020. But it was bad, right? It was it was it was great. All of these auctions and it had the lowest grade that five year auctions had since 2022. Wow. Look at you, tough grader out there. All right. What what can turn things around, Iris? I mean, if what can turn things around here in terms of the sentiment that you were mentioning? Yeah, I think number one is there could be a recommitment from, um, from the Federal Reserve to actually squashing interest rates.

这是自2022年或2020年以来最差的拍卖。但它很糟糕,对吧?它确实很糟糕。所有这些拍卖中,它的评级是五年期拍卖自2022年以来最低的。哇。看你,真是个严厉的评分者。好吧,Iris,什么能扭转局面呢?我是说,就你提到的情绪而言,什么能扭转局面?是的,我认为第一点是美联储可能会重新承诺真正压低利率。

I still think there's a little bit of, of worry out there that they're not going to be able to get inflation down. Um, and then secondly, you know, and this is kind of an interesting thing. I suspect that once we get over the election, uh, people will, you know, look at some of the data and say, okay, what tends to happen with deficits when we have a split government? Because it does look like the Democrats are going to take at least one of the houses of Congress.

我仍然觉得,市场上仍存在一些担忧,担心他们无法将通胀降下来。嗯,其次,你知道,这有点意思。我怀疑一旦我们度过选举期,人们会看看一些数据,然后说:好吧,当出现分裂政府时,赤字通常会发生什么?因为看起来民主党至少会拿下国会两院中的一院。

And actually, deficits get better when we have split government. So we put out a note about that a couple of weeks ago, just noting how every single time we've had a split government, with the exception of Covid, right, that was, you know, very unusual situation. But outside of that one example, over the following couple of years, would split government deficits go down and I think an improving deficit. And then obviously if we get a slower economy, you wind up with, uh, with yields going down.

事实上,在分裂政府时期,赤字状况反而会改善。所以我们几周前发布了一份关于此的笔记,只是指出每次出现分裂政府时(除了新冠疫情,那确实是非常例外的情况),在接下来的几年里,分裂政府下的赤字都会下降,我认为赤字状况会得到改善。然后显然,如果我们经济放缓,收益率最终会下降。

But look, I'm not I'm this isn't good for total returns for bonds. But I'm not panicked about the bond market. It's not like the it's not like we're where we've moved the market away from fundamentals. Right. Fundamentally we should be here because the growth is good and inflation is still, you know, tuition at two and a half or 3%. And so we're fairly priced on a fundamental basis. So you look at volatility in bonds.

但话说回来,这对债券的总回报来说并不是好事。但我对债券市场并不恐慌。我们并没有让市场脱离基本面。从基本面上看,我们应该处于当前位置,因为经济增长良好,而通胀仍然维持在2.5%或3%左右。因此,从基本面来看,我们的定价是合理的。所以你看债券的波动性。

It's now at the highest since March. That's the move index. Do you think that the rising volatility is turning off investors who wouldn't ordinarily be drawn by by these big yields. Well maybe a little bit. But you know generally speaking you know remember the move index is short term volatility. When you look at longer term volatility like one year ten year, which is where like mortgage investors and a lot of uh, a lot of people, um, you know, kind of hedge their longer term risk that hasn't risen nearly as much.

它现在达到了自三月以来的最高水平。这是MOVE指数。你认为不断上升的波动性是否会让那些通常不会被高收益率吸引的投资者却步?嗯,可能有一点。但你要知道,一般来说,记住MOVE指数衡量的是短期波动性。当你查看长期波动性,比如一年期和十年期波动性时——抵押贷款投资者和许多其他人在那里对冲他们的长期风险——这些波动性的上升幅度远没有那么大。

It's risen, but not not nearly as much as, as short term, uh, volatility has. And uh, yeah, that's one of the reasons you're repricing. Right. So when you see higher realized volatility you have to price for higher um uh, higher bond yields just to compensate you for that excess volatility. So that is part of it. But it also you know that's a feedback loop right. Where you get more volatility you get higher yields. You get higher yields.

它确实上升了,但远不如短期波动性上升得那么多。是的,这也是你重新定价的原因之一。对吧。所以当你看到更高的已实现波动性时,你必须为更高的债券收益率定价,以补偿你承担的额外波动性。所以这是其中一部分原因。但也存在一个反馈循环,对吧。波动性增加导致收益率上升,收益率上升又进一步加剧波动性。

You get more volatility. Where does that end. And I think that that is probably more of the question that a lot of people are asking themselves before they dip their toes into and start to buy here.

你会面临更高的波动性。这种波动会止于何处?我认为,这很可能是许多人在试探性入场并开始买入之前,反复自问的问题。

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