美能源部长:委内瑞拉17个油田获650亿桶储量开发协议
BONUS: US Energy Secretary Chris Wright Talks Venezuela Oil Production | Balance of Power
涉及重大地缘能源政策落地与潜在供给增量,直接影响原油定价逻辑与宏观流动性预期,建议关注后续产能释放节奏及OPEC配额变动风险。
For Brim, one of Thailand's oldest established companies, growth does not begin with a deal. It begins with trust. Later in this podcast, hear how that approach has taken the company from Thailand to South Korea and the United States.
对于泰国历史最悠久的公司之一 Brim 而言,增长并非始于交易,而是始于信任。在本期播客稍后部分,我们将聆听这一理念如何推动该公司从泰国走向韩国和美国。
Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts radio news. US energy secretary Chris Wright is in Venezuela to announce a series of deals from oil producers. Bloomberg Washington correspondent Tyler Kendall is in Caracus with him. Tyler, thanks so much and a big welcome to our global Bloomberg television and radio audience. I'm Tyler Kendall here in Venezuela and pleased to say I am joined now by the US energy secretary Christopher Wright.
彭博音频工作室播客广播新闻。美国能源部长克里斯·赖特(Chris Wright)前往委内瑞拉,宣布一系列石油生产商达成的协议。彭博华盛顿记者泰勒·肯德尔(Tyler Kendall)与他同在加拉加斯。泰勒,非常感谢你,也热烈欢迎我们的全球彭博电视和广播观众。我是泰勒·肯德尔,身在委内瑞拉,很高兴地表示我现在与美国能源部长克里斯托弗·赖特(Christopher Wright)在一起。
Secretary Wright, it's nice to see you here on the heels of the US government announcing this massive partnership to potentially develop up to 65 billion barrels of oil. Just to get a lay of the land, how quickly can you start production on those 17 fields? And more broadly speaking, how quickly will we see Venezuelan production output really ramp up?
赖特部长,在美国政府宣布这项可能开发高达 650 亿桶石油的巨大合作之后,很高兴在这里见到您。为了先了解一下基本情况,这 17 个油田的产量能多快开始?更广泛地说,我们多久能看到委内瑞拉的石油产量真正大幅攀升?
Well, several of those fields, Tyler, are already in active development today. Nibet produces around 200,000 barrels of oil a day. They're the second largest private producer in Venezuela. So there's scale already in several of those fields. A number of them haven't seen any meaningful development yet. Some of them were at Russian partnerships or Chinese partnerships or frankly criminal partnerships. So this is to bring these fields into real commercial development.
嗯,泰勒,其中几个油田今天已经在积极开发中。Nibet 每天生产约 20 万桶石油,是委内瑞拉第二大私营生产商。因此,其中几个油田已经具备规模效应。还有一些油田尚未进行任何有意义的开发。其中一些曾与俄罗斯或中国合作伙伴关系有关,坦率地说,甚至涉及犯罪性质的合作。因此,此举旨在将这些油田纳入真正的商业开发轨道。
But the speed of things, I mean so far we have gone at Trump speed in Venezuela. Country production's up 25%, exports are up 50%. We think even from production today already elevated, that could double by the end of this decade.
但事情的速度,我的意思是,到目前为止,我们在委内瑞拉以‘特朗普速度’推进。该国产量已上升 25%,出口量上升了 50%。我们认为,即使从目前已经处于高位的产量来看,到本世纪末也有可能翻倍。
65 billion barrels is a massive number. It's my understanding that North American Blue Energy Partners can't develop this all on their own. Are you actively working or in talks to bring in other operators for these 17 fields?
650 亿桶是一个庞大的数字。据我了解,北美 Blue Energy Partners 无法独自开发所有这些资源。你们是否正在积极洽谈或谈判,为这 17 个油田引入其他运营商?
Oh, I'm certain that will happen. But of course, the deal was just signed on Friday, so this is brand new. But yes, that reserve base is so large. Clearly, additional partnerships will be formed to develop those resources.
哦,我确信那将会发生。当然,这笔交易刚刚在周五签署,所以这是全新的进展。但没错,该储量基础如此庞大,显然将形成额外的合作伙伴关系来开发这些资源。
When it comes to these specific fields, China uh China is still owed billions of dollars uh from the Venezuelan government. Are there any assurances that the barrels from these fields aren't going to be used to pay back Chinese debt? Now look, Venezuela's got a lot of historical debt. And one of the major efforts going on right now is to do a debt restructuring to get things in order. Who are the real creditors? What is an arrangement going to go to move forward?
谈到这些特定油田,委内瑞拉政府仍欠中国数百亿美元。是否有任何保证,确保这些油田的原油不会被用于偿还中国的债务?现在请注意,委内瑞拉背负着大量历史债务。目前正在进行的主要努力之一是进行债务重组,以理顺局面。真正的债权人是谁?将达成怎样的安排以推动进展?
But no, these these fields will be developed for the benefit of the Venezuelan people, for the benefit of Americans, and for the benefit of global energy markets. President Trump's agendas drive down energy prices of all kinds across our economy and across the world. But just for clarity, China won't have any claims of production or revenue related to this deal that the US government struck.
但不,这些油田的开发将为委内瑞拉人民、美国人民以及全球能源市场带来利益。特朗普总统的政策旨在降低我们经济乃至全球各类能源的价格。但为了澄清,中国政府不会就该交易获得任何与生产或收入相关的权益主张。
No, they No, they will not.
不,他们不会。
Broadly speaking, people familiar with the matter have told Bloomberg News that Venezuela is considering actually leaving OPEC. Have you had any of those discussions with the Venezuelan government, including when it comes to talks around this deal?
据知情人士向彭博新闻社透露,委内瑞拉正考虑实际上退出欧佩克(OPEC)。您是否与委内瑞拉政府就此进行过任何讨论,包括围绕这项交易的谈判?
I have not uh discussed OPEC with the leaders of Venezuela.
我尚未与委内瑞拉领导人讨论过欧佩克问题。
Do you think that they should leave? uh that's a dialogue for the the sovereign state of Venezuela and that's a decision for them to make.
您认为他们应该退出吗?那是委内瑞拉这个主权国家内部的对话,也是由他们自己做出的决定。
But I think part of this question is that wouldn't it be difficult for the US government to take all of this oil as part of the deal if Venezuela is subject to OPEC quotas? I know at the moment they're not, but if we're talking about ramping up so much production in this country, wouldn't they be down the line?
但我认为这个问题的部分是:如果委内瑞拉受到欧佩克配额的限制,美国政府是否难以将全部石油作为交易的一部分接收?我知道目前他们没有配额限制,但如果我们要讨论在这个国家大幅增加产量,他们未来是否会面临这种情况?
Again, that that's a separate issue. But also, Tyler, to be clear, we're not taking any oil here. This is a deal between a commercial enterprise that's operating in Venezuela today. We're just coming in as a partner, a passive partner in that role, but with very active controls to make sure highest business practices are followed and to work with them to bring more capital so we can accelerate the development of these reserves.
再次强调,这是一个独立的问题。此外,泰勒,需要澄清的是,我们这里并不接收任何石油。这是一项在委内瑞拉运营的商业企业之间的交易。我们只是以合作伙伴的身份介入,扮演被动合作伙伴的角色,但会实施非常严格的管控,以确保遵循最高的商业惯例,并与他们合作引入更多资本,从而加速这些储量的开发。
Venezuela today has about 17% of global oil reserves and just over 1% of global production. That's the problem of the last 25 years. But it's the opportunity for tomorrow.
委内瑞拉目前拥有全球约17%的石油储量,但仅占全球产量的略高于1%。这是过去25年存在的问题。但这也是明天的机遇所在。
Well, to this point, we've often heard from the administration about this three-phased approach when it comes to Venezuela that includes stability, economic viability, and then a democratic transition. Can you just talk to me about how you are viewing this part of uh the picture? How this helps to get Venezuela to that process of economic viability before we could see duly uh elected officials in in this country in terms of a democratic uh process.
好的,到目前为止,我们经常听到政府方面谈到针对委内瑞拉的三阶段方法,其中包括稳定、经济可行性和随后的民主过渡。你能谈谈你是如何看待这一部分的吗?在我们可以看到这个国家通过民主程序合法选举出的官员之前,这如何帮助委内瑞拉实现经济可行性?
Absolutely. Stability is key. You can see in the streets behind us here in Caracus, we have peace and stability in Venezuela. We need to make sure it stays that way. But to get economic growth, you have to have an investment climate that American companies and companies from around the world will come invest in this country. A US presence now an economic ownership interest in Venezuela, I think, will help grow that confidence and bring even more capital.
当然。稳定是关键。你们可以看到我们身后加拉加斯街头的景象,委内瑞拉实现了和平与稳定。我们需要确保这种状态得以保持。但为了实现经济增长,你必须创造一个投资环境,让美国公司和来自世界各地的公司愿意来这个国家投资。我认为,美国目前在委内瑞拉的存在以及经济所有权利益,将有助于增强信心并带来更多资本。
But today, the deal signed with Chevron, with ENI, the Italian multinational giant, and GE Vernova, these are all many billions of dollars of investment to grow their businesses in Venezuela. We expect many more such deals to come.
但今天,与雪佛龙(Chevron)、意大利跨国巨头埃尼(ENI)和通用电气能源(GE Vernova)签署的交易,都是数十亿美元的投资,旨在扩大它们在委内瑞拉的业务。我们预计还会有更多此类交易出现。
Is continued US investment or participation in this oil agreement conditional on any progress towards those democratic talks? I know that talks are currently underway.
美国继续参与这项石油协议或进行投资,是否以在向那些民主对话取得任何进展为条件?我知道目前正在进行谈判。
No, no, the e the economic deals are separate than the political thing, but they're all part of the same hole. President Trump's sort of global agenda is to replace conflict with commerce all around the world. Um, and boy, I think we're off to an absolute swimming start in Venezuela. I'll tell you, the Venezuelan people are behind us. 25 years of communist corruption, poverty, 8 million people fleeing the country. Now, we're going to show the prospect of economic growth, of new jobs, bring inflation down, and bring our countries together.
不,不,经济协议与政治事务是分开的,但它们都属于同一个大局的一部分。特朗普总统的全球议程大致是用商业取代全球各地的冲突。嗯,我认为我们在委内瑞拉取得了绝对的开门红。我告诉你,委内瑞拉人民支持我们。25年的共产主义腐败、贫困,800万人逃离该国。现在,我们将展示经济增长的前景、创造新的就业机会、降低通货膨胀,并将我们的国家团结在一起。
And the growth in production in Venezuela simply tremendous for America. Our refineries were built based on Venezuelan oil. Now, as that crude production grows in quantity, that it's a win for Venezuela. It's a massive win for energy buyers in the United States. Whether you're buying g whether you're buying gasoline or diesel or flying out on a vacation or heating your home,
委内瑞拉产量的增长对美国来说简直太棒了。我们的炼油厂就是基于委内瑞拉石油建造的。现在,随着原油产量在数量上的增长,这对委内瑞拉是一次胜利。对于美国的能源买家来说,这是一次巨大的胜利。无论你是购买汽油还是柴油,无论是外出度假还是为家庭供暖,
I think I know the answer to this. Just last question on this just to put a finer point on it. Would the US suspend any investment or oil purchases if the current political talks end up failing?
我想我知道这个问题的答案。最后一个问题,为了更精确地说明这一点:如果当前的政治谈判最终失败,美国是否会暂停任何投资或石油采购?
These are ways to make sure the political talks go forward. Things are progressing quite well on the political front. We've had reconciliation meetings with the previous leader of the of the Venezuelan Assembly from 11 years ago is meeting with the current assembly leader. We've seen the release of over a 100 political prisoners, additional from the early releases. The political talks are going well as well as the economic talks.
这些是确保政治对话取得进展的方法。政治层面的进展相当顺利。我们与11年前委内瑞拉议会的前领导人举行了和解会议,他正在与现任议长会面。我们已经释放了超过100名政治犯,这是在早期释放基础上的额外释放。政治对话以及经济对话都在顺利进行。
Another question on how this deal is coming together in terms of helping to refill the strategic petroleum reserve. Can you just take me through how that's going to work? Are are we looking at at swapping this crew to get it into the SPR?
关于这项协议在帮助补充战略石油储备方面的进展,还有一个问题。能否请您详细说明一下这将如何运作?我们是否考虑通过互换原油来将其注入战略石油储备(SPR)?
Yeah, as you grow production and lower the price of oil, that enables everything to be better. But absolutely, you know, that the US strategic petroleum reserve, it's unlikely that we would put Venezuelan crude into our strategic petroleum reserve, but it's the largest market in the world, oil, as we did with the the conflict in Iran right now. We swapped barrels in time. We released a barrel at the peak of
是的,随着产量增长和油价下跌,一切都会变得更好。但毫无疑问,美国战略石油储备不太可能接收委内瑞拉原油,因为它是世界上最大的市场。正如我们在当前的伊朗冲突中所做的那样,我们进行了时间上的原油互换。我们在峰值时释放了一桶油。
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