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科威特石油CEO:日产量超200万桶,安全通道恢复可立即增产至270万桶

Kuwait Petroleum CEO Says Oil Output Tops 2 Million Barrels a Day

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直接披露了中东核心产油国的实际供应能力与瓶颈机制,明确了“安全通道”是重启满产的关键变量,对研判原油及成品油供需缺口具有实质性参考价值。

And for more now on the current situation in the Strait Of Hormuz and the energy picture in The Middle East as a whole, we turn now to an important conversation as Bloomberg's Romaine Bostick sits down with the CEO of Kuwait Petroleum. Romaine? Yeah. Thank you very much, Kailey. We're here with SSheikh Nawaf Saud Nasir Al-Sabah, of course, the CEO of the Kuwait Petroleum Corporation at a time where we're talking about all of this potential discussions of maybe some sort of de escalation, a conflict that is now well into its eighth month.

关于霍尔木兹海峡的最新局势以及整个中东地区的能源前景,我们现在转向一场重要的对话。彭博社的罗曼·博斯蒂克(Romaine Bostick)与科威特石油公司首席执行官进行了交谈。罗曼?是的。非常感谢,凯利。我们在这里与科威特石油公司首席执行官纳瓦夫·萨阿德·纳赛尔·阿勒萨巴赫(Sheikh Nawaf Saud Nasir Al-Sabah)先生进行对话,此时我们正在讨论所有潜在的降级讨论,这场冲突现在已经持续了八个月之久。

The Strait Of Hormuz shut down for most of that time, and now we're starting to see Iran start to hit a lot more targets further south of that in the Gulf Of Oman, and that has affected your shipments in and out of Kuwait. What measures have you taken to try to find alternative routes? I mean, we have, started since the beginning of this conflict. We have made clear to our customers around the world that we will do everything possible to ensure that shipments continue to our customers.

在大部分时间里,霍尔木兹海峡处于关闭状态,现在我们开始看到伊朗开始在阿曼湾更南部的多个目标发动袭击,这影响了你们进出科威特的运输。你们采取了哪些措施来寻找替代路线?我的意思是,自这场冲突开始以来,我们就已经着手行动。我们已经向全球客户明确表示,我们将尽一切可能确保货物继续运送给我们的客户。

When the straight did not have any passage going through, we used our trading arm and we we used our... Everything at our disposal to make sure that alternative shipments made it to our customers. Now that shipping is going through Mhmm. We are committed to raising our production as high as as we can to accommodate the requirements of our customers. So we are working through the straight. Uh-huh. And looking into the future, we'll look into alternatives and and such as pipelines.

当海峡没有任何通行时,我们使用了我们的贸易部门,并利用了我们……手头的一切资源,以确保替代运输能够到达我们的客户手中。现在航运正在通过海峡。嗯哼。我们致力于将产量提高到尽可能高的水平,以满足客户的需求。因此,我们正在通过海峡运作。嗯哼。展望未来,我们将研究管道等替代方案。

But are the ship to ship transfers that you've been doing, is that still actually working? That is continuing. That is working. We've been able to move our production from almost nothing really during the height of the of the crisis to well over 2,000,000 barrels a day, and our fields and our facilities are resilient. They can handle that. The... What is missing right now is additional security for ships to transit through the strait so that we can raise raise our production to what it was before this crisis began at 2,700,000 barrels a day.

但是你们一直在进行的船对船转运,那仍然有效吗?这仍在继续。这是有效的。在危机高峰期,我们能够将从几乎为零的产量增加到每天超过200万桶,我们的油田和设施具有韧性,能够应对这种情况。目前缺少的是为船只通过海峡提供的额外安全保障,以便我们可以将产量恢复到危机爆发前的每天270万桶的水平。

When you say that you're meeting your obligations, is that 100% of what your customers are asking for they're getting, or are you still having to sort of, make concessions? On the crude side, we are. On the crude, oil side, we are exporting, basically what we had been doing before the war began. We're meet... Meeting the requirements of our customers on crude oil. It's on, product where shipping is more constrained for products, and that's where we had to restrain some of our refining capacity on that.

当你说你们在履行义务时,这是客户要求的100%都能得到满足,还是你们仍在做出某种让步?在原油方面,确实如此。在原油/石油方面,我们基本上是在继续战前所做的出口业务。我们在满足客户对原油的需求方面……做到了。但在成品油方面,由于运输限制更为严格,我们不得不削减部分炼油产能。

And you're seeing that result in international diesel and and jet fuel prices. One of the biggest refineries in the world that produces jet and diesel is actually in Kuwait. We need more product carriers to come into the into The Gulf to carry that product out. So so is the main constraint on the refined products right now getting the tankers that you need or getting a safe escort of those tankers in and out? It's both because once you have safe escort Mhmm.

这是否反映在国际柴油和航空煤油价格上?全球最大的一家生产航空煤油和柴油的炼油厂实际上位于科威特。我们需要更多的产品船进入海湾地区来运输这些产品。那么,目前精炼产品的主要约束是获取所需的油轮,还是为进出港的油轮提供安全护航?两者都有,因为一旦获得安全护航,嗯……

More and more tankers from the international community will come. What we're doing right now is using our strategic tanker fleet to shuttle, crude and product out through the strike, do ship to ship transfer outside, and move it to our customers outside, Lukka. You've taken some damage to some of your tankers because of this war. Have you been able to repair and replace those in an efficient manner? We have, we're doing everything we can, to move, the shipments out.

国际社会越来越多的油轮将会到来。我们目前正在使用我们的战略油轮船队,通过海上过驳作业将原油和产品运出冲突区域,并转运至海外的客户处,例如卢卡拉(Lukka)。这场战争是否导致你们的某些油轮受损?你们能否以高效的方式修复和替换这些受损船只?我们已经做到了,我们正在竭尽全力将货物运出。

That that is replace... That is, repairing, the tankers that have been hit. Some of those are are back in service. Others are in the process, going through dry dry dock. Have you asked the US military for more help on the naval side? The US military has been, fantastic in in supporting us all the way through. It was very clear to us from the beginning that there is nothing that is a 100% effective, that we will continue, we will absorb some hits, but it is a risk that we are taking.

也就是说,修复那些被击中的油轮。其中一些已经重新投入运营,另一些正在进干船坞维修过程中。你们是否向美军请求了更多海军方面的援助?美军在整个过程中一直给予了我们非常出色的支持。从一开始我们就很清楚,没有任何措施能达到100%有效,我们将继续承受一些损失,但这是我们正在承担的风险。

But we're out... Also asking the international community, asking our customers, to bear a greater portion of that responsibility, and move ships to, work with us on the, on the risks that we're taking. Why haven't we seen that yet? You're starting to see that, in fact. Our customers are now, coming into The Gulf, supporting us with, with the shipping and, starting to collect product from Kuwait. Are these primarily customers in Europe and Asia?

但我们也在……同时呼吁国际社会、呼吁我们的客户共同承担更大的责任,并与我们合作应对我们所面临的风险。为什么我们尚未看到这种情况?事实上,你已经开始看到了。我们的客户现在正进入海湾地区,通过航运支持我们,并开始从科威特接收产品。这些主要是欧洲和亚洲的客户吗?

These customers are in Asia. We're asking our European customers to do the same. Mhmm. And, they're working with their with their governments to ensure that they can come up through The Gulf. I know that you're not actually involved in any sort of peace negotiations, but there's been a lot of rumors about a potential de escalation. Are you aware of any progress on that front? I'm not aware of that. What we do is we ensure that we can get as much of our shipments out, to our to our customers, and, we let the politicians sort out the rest.

这些客户位于亚洲。我们正在要求我们的欧洲客户做同样的事情。嗯哼。而且,他们正在与他们的政府合作,以确保他们能够通过霍尔木兹海峡通行。我知道你实际上没有参与任何和平谈判,但关于潜在降级有很多传闻。你是否了解这方面的任何进展?我不了解。我们所做的是确保尽可能多地将货物运出,送到我们的客户手中,至于其余的,就让政客们去解决吧。

If there were... Was a deal anytime soon, how quickly could you ramp up production and, more importantly, delivery of that production back up to that 2.6 barrels that we saw prior to the war? Immediate. Immediate. Our facilities are are available, ready to work. Our fields are more resilient than ever. This is a testament to not only Kuwait's ability, but KPC's ability to produce. We... What... The only thing that's missing, honestly, is an exit route Mhmm.

如果……如果很快达成了一项协议,你们能多快恢复生产,更重要的是,将产量恢复到战前我们看到的每天260万桶的水平?立即。立即。我们的设施随时可用,准备就绪。我们的油田比以往任何时候都更具韧性。这不仅是科威特能力的证明,也是科威特石油公司(KPC)生产能力的证明。我们……什么……说实话,唯一缺失的就是出口路线。嗯哼。

For for product. You've talked about refined products already being at critical levels. There has been some relief that Kuwait has actually taken credit for with regards to getting some of that product back to market. How involved were you in getting that diesel and the other refined products over? Absolutely. We're we're prioritizing getting these products out into the market, especially because, diesel and jet fuel is facing a severe shortage.

对于成品油而言。你已经提到过精炼产品已经处于关键水平。科威特在将部分产品重新推向市场方面取得了一些进展,对此科威特也引以为豪。你在推动柴油和其他精炼产品进入市场方面参与了多少?绝对很多。我们正在优先将这些产品推向市场,特别是因为柴油和航空煤油正面临严重短缺。

And as I said, it's... A lot of that shortage is due to the fact that you have about 6,000,000 barrels of refining capacity inside The Gulf. Mhmm. Much of that is being restrained because of the inability to move it safely out. The pipelines that exist through Saudi Arabia and, The Emirates are crude. So that's why you're seeing a relatively muted reaction on crude prices, but a huge reaction, on product prices because there's simply not enough, product moving into the market.

正如我所说的,这种短缺在很大程度上是因为海湾地区拥有约600万桶的炼油产能。嗯哼。由于无法安全地将这些产能转移出去,其中很大一部分受到限制。通过沙特阿拉伯和阿拉伯联合酋长国的现有管道输送的是原油。这就是为什么你看到原油价格反应相对温和,但成品油价格反应巨大的原因,因为进入市场的成品油 simply 不足。

Well, your involvement certainly allowed for the European, release of their reserves. Have you been asked to do more by The United States to get more refined products here? We are working with our US partners to move as much as we can. We... The the point remains that there is no substitute for safe transit through the Strait Of Hormuz. That needs to be restored as quickly as possible. Once that happens, you will have product moving at a much briskier phase.

你的参与无疑促成了欧洲释放其储备。美国是否要求你做更多工作以将更多的精炼产品运到这里?我们正在与美国合作伙伴合作,尽可能多地运输。关键在于,霍尔木兹海峡的安全通行无可替代。这需要尽快恢复。一旦实现这一点,产品的流动速度将会大大加快。

Long term, there's been a lot of talk about finding alternatives to the Strait Of Hormuz. I know there's been a lot of talk about studying export pipelines that you've been in with Saudi Arabia as well as The UAE. Are those talks still going on? How much progress are you making towards that? We're making a lot of progress on those. But again, pipelines can only carry crude at this point. So you can solve for one portion of the problem, but you cannot solve for the fact that not only the 20% of of the world's crude goes through the Strait Of Hormuz.

从长远来看,人们一直在讨论寻找替代霍尔木兹海峡的方案。我知道你们与沙特阿拉伯以及阿联酋都在研究出口管道的问题。这些讨论还在继续吗?你们在向此目标迈进方面取得了多少进展?我们在这些方面取得了很大进展。但再次强调,目前管道只能运输原油。因此,你只能解决部分问题,却无法解决这样一个事实:全球20%的原油都要经过霍尔木兹海峡。

Mhmm. You can do pipelines around that, but you can't do pipelines for the product that that is missing, the 6,000,000 or more barrels of refined product that goes through. You're also missing 20% of the world's LNG has to go out on ships. It can't go out on pipelines. It's gotta go through the strait. And finally, somewhere between a third... A quarter to a third of, the world's fertilizer comes through the strait, that's gotta come on ships.

嗯。你可以修建绕过该海峡的管道,但你无法为缺失的产品修建管道,即通过该海峡的600万桶或更多成品油。此外,全球20%的液化天然气(LNG)必须通过船舶运输,无法通过管道输送,它必须经过该海峡。最后,全球三分之一……四分之一到三分之一的化肥也经由该海峡运输,这些也必须通过船舶运输。

And that's just from the energy side, not counting, commercial goods and everything else. So there is no substitute for safe passage

而这仅仅是能源方面,尚未计算商业货物和其他一切。因此,安全通行是无可替代的。

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