特朗普呼吁泽连斯基下台，因不满乌克兰袭击俄能源设施推高油价
Trump Calls for Zelenskyy to Step Aside
Bloomberg News White House correspondent Catherine Lucey joins us now with more. Catherine, great to have you with us on this Sunday morning, and perhaps we could start with just looking at what led to to this moment. We had the announcement of this diesel deal, but the president for many months now has been kind of hammering the Ukrainian president to stop attacking these oil and gas energy sites within within Russia.
彭博社白宫记者凯瑟琳·卢西现在与我们带来更多报道。凯瑟琳，很高兴在这个周日早上与你一起参与节目，也许我们可以从回顾是什么导致了这一时刻开始。我们刚刚宣布了这项柴油交易，但总统已经数月来一直在不断施压乌克兰总统，要求他停止袭击俄罗斯境内的油气能源设施。
This is the kind of final moment of that, it seems like, the the... Him indicating that this shouldn't be happening and suggesting that the president should step down. Yeah. Certainly, it was an escalation of those comments yesterday. The president is very frustrated. And, of course, this is a relationship that has long, I think, we all know, been pretty rocky, been pretty up and down, you know, from the... You know, from before the president, you know, started his second term.
这似乎是……的最后一刻，他表明这种情况不应发生，并暗示总统应该辞职。是的。当然，昨天的言论确实升级了。总统感到非常沮丧。而且，当然，这是一段长期以来我们都认为相当动荡、起伏不定的关系，你知道的，从……你知道的，在总统开始他的第二个任期之前就是这样。
But he is... The president is very frustrated about oil prices globally. He has been vocal about Ukrainian strikes on oil infrastructure, and he sees me make the argument that this is a reason for high oil prices. Of course, as we all know, oil prices rose this year after the start of the Iran war, so it is more complicated than that. But he is definitely trying to zero in on this and make this argument. And I think he's also frustrated that a a conflict that he claimed he could easily, resolve, you know, when he took, office, you know, continues to grind on, and they have not, you know, despite, you know, a series of efforts over the past, you know, year plus, have not been able to, find a resolution here.
但他……总统对全球油价感到非常沮丧。他一直公开批评乌克兰对石油基础设施的打击，并且他认为这是我用来解释高油价的一个理由。当然，正如我们所知，自伊朗战争开始后，今年的油价上涨了，所以情况比那更复杂。但他肯定是在试图聚焦于此并提出这一论点。我认为他也感到沮丧，因为他声称自己上任时可以轻松解决的冲突，你知道吗，至今仍在持续消耗，尽管在过去一年多里进行了一系列努力，他们仍然未能找到解决方案。
We're also in a really fascinating place because everyone is talking about the midterms, and we talk all the time about how allegedly American voters do not vote for candidates based on foreign policy. But we have a rare moment where there's a pretty direct line between US foreign and the issues they do care about, which is the price of gas, the cost of living, and things like that. We've already seen how the Iran war is entering this conversation, but our own Bloomberg analysis is that this amount of oil or diesel, even if it gets through and it may not, it seems like, isn't really going to impact prices.
我们也正处于一个非常有趣的位置，因为每个人都在谈论中期选举，我们经常讨论所谓美国选民不会根据外交政策来投票支持候选人。但我们正处在一个罕见的时刻，美国外交政策与他们真正关心的问题——如汽油价格、生活成本等——之间存在一条相当直接的联系。我们已经看到伊朗战争如何进入这场对话，但我们彭博社的分析显示，即使这批石油或柴油能够顺利抵达（它似乎未必能），也不会对价格产生实质影响。
So are there other repercussions president Trump is risking here by by almost opening up, at least a diplomatic spat, on another front? Yeah. And I think you cited already, I mean, Republican, opposition to this frustration. I thought it was interesting that their name... They may be naming this effort the Ronald Reagan Act, which clearly seems to be a effort to sort of call back a different kind of Republican leadership.
那么，特朗普总统在此冒着风险，至少在另一条战线上几乎引发一场外交争端，是否还有其他 repercussions（后果）？是的。而且我认为你已经提到了，我的意思是共和党的反对以及由此产生的挫败感。我觉得有趣的是他们的名字……他们可能会将这项努力命名为《罗纳德·里根法案》，这显然似乎是一种试图唤起另一种共和党领导风格的举措。
But, yes, it's absolutely true. It's not clear if this will move the needle at all or, honestly, what would move the needle at all between now and election day. The president is trying to find things to show that they're taking action, And Americans don't vote on foreign policy until they do. Right? So, I mean, they are... I think what people are voting on is pocketbook issues. People are frustrated about prices, and among the prices is the price of gas.
但是，是的，这绝对是真的。目前尚不清楚这是否会带来任何实质性的改变，或者老实说，在选举日之前究竟什么能带来实质性的改变。总统正试图寻找一些事情来证明他们正在采取行动，而美国人直到那时才会根据外交政策进行投票。对吧？所以，我的意思是，他们……我认为人们投票关注的是与经济切身相关的问题。人们对物价感到沮丧，而在这些物价中，汽油价格就是其中之一。
And if you are someone... You know, ranchers and farmers and and folks who use diesel, the price of diesel is a huge issue. And those pressures haven't gotten any better, and people are are able to tie that to the war in Iran, which has not ended. And so, you know, know, voters are able to see all of this. And so Trump telling them that, you know, as he did as he did yesterday in a rally and Friday rally that, you know, that they are working on this, that prices are going to come down.
如果你属于某类人群……你知道，牧场主、农民以及使用柴油的人，柴油价格是一个巨大的问题。而且这些压力并没有好转，人们能够将这与尚未结束的伊朗战争联系起来。因此，选民们能够看到这一切。所以，正如他昨天在集会和周五的集会上所说的那样，告诉他们他们正在处理这个问题，价格将会下降。
People aren't feeling it. And so I think it's it's pretty clear that voters are very frustrated.
人们并没有感受到这一点。因此，我认为很明显，选民们非常沮丧。
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