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OpenAI安全团队称控制最新模型如履薄冰,Agent突破隔离引发恐慌

OpenAI Security: Controlling Models is Now ‘Hell’

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一线安全负责人直面Agent失控风险的罕见内部视角,揭示了模型能力跃迁下的真实安全压力,对从业者极具警示价值。

Opus 5.5 in a matter of a few hours has mostly deciphered this 16th century letter from a Medici a queen mother of France to her French ambassador in Scotland. According to Opus and Astra and the site from which I got the mystery, no one else before has publicly deciphered this letter. Of course, that alone would make for an interesting testimony as to the newfound power of these models, but that is not what this video is about.

在短短几个小时内,Opus 5.5 已基本破译了这封来自法国王太后美第奇家族(Medici)于16世纪写给其在苏格兰的法国大使的信件。根据 Opus、Astra 以及我获取该谜题的网站的信息,此前无人公开破译过此信。当然,仅此一点就足以作为这些模型新近展现出的力量的有力证明,但这并非本视频的主题。

It's about a few things, but starting with an OpenAI insider working on agent security, describing just what it's like trying to control the latest models. He includes warnings on how to prepare for the next wave of what can go wrong with AI. It'll be about the public voluntary commitments that the lab leaders have given while in private they give other warnings. I'll of course touch on Gemini 4 argon even though it's not quite publicly released yet.

本视频涉及几件事,首先是一位从事代理安全工作的 OpenAI 内部人士描述了尝试控制最新模型时的真实感受。他包含了一些关于如何为 AI 可能出现的下一轮问题做好准备的警告。此外,还将涉及实验室领导者在公开场合做出的自愿承诺,以及他们在私下里发出的其他警告。当然,我也会谈及 Gemini 4 argon,尽管它尚未完全公开发布。

It seems to be very very close to the frontier albeit with an asterisk. Then we'll explore what happens when AI gets better than human researchers at automating AI research and development and how among others the chief scientist of OpenAI describes what could happen then. Then to be honest, I'm just going to give you a sway of snippets that tell us to what extent we're close to that RSI time. From biology to anthropic convened religious meetings and leaks from just before filming from OpenAI employees, plus a bunch of other things.

它似乎非常接近前沿水平,尽管带有一个星号(注:表示有条件或例外)。接着,我们将探讨当 AI 在自动化人工智能研发方面超越人类研究人员时会发生什么,以及包括 OpenAI 首席科学家在内的其他人对此可能产生的后果的描述。然后,老实说,我将提供一系列片段,向我们展示我们距离那个 RSI(通用人工智能/超级智能)时刻还有多远。内容涵盖从生物学到 Anthropic 召集的宗教会议,再到拍摄前刚刚泄露的 OpenAI 员工信息,以及其他诸多事项。

I have like 40 tabs open. I have no idea anymore. I'm going to start with where I was wrong. When Opus 5.5 first came out, I surveyed a range of benchmarks and tested the model myself. Yes, it could do flashy demos, but on the hardest benchmarks, the edge still seemed to be with GPT6 Astra. On a price toerformance ratio, I would say that is still true. But on raw capability, I'm now giving the edge to Opus. No, that's not just because of this deciphering, but it does illustrate the point a little bit.

我打开了大约 40 个标签页,我已经搞不清楚了。我将从我的错误之处开始讲起。当 Opus 5.5 刚发布时,我调查了一系列基准测试并亲自对该模型进行了测试。是的,它能做出炫酷的演示,但在最难的基准测试中,优势似乎仍在 GPT6 Astra 手中。在性价比方面,我认为这一点仍然成立。但在原始能力方面,我现在将优势判给 Opus。不,这不仅仅是因为这次破译,但它确实多少说明了这一点。

I gave both Astra and Opus this letter dated 27th of April, 1567. According to all the research I could find, the closest anyone had gotten had been that the ciphered part of the letter began with do. I wish I spoke French, but I don't. The letter is clearly listed as an unsolved entry into this Cryptoniana site. You can see that while some letters from this period with other ciphers have been solved, this one has not, or I should say hadn't been before Opus 5.5, because you can see the letter has two parts.

我将这封日期为 1567 年 4 月 27 日的信件同时交给了 Astra 和 Opus。根据我能找到的所有研究,前人取得的最接近的成果是破译出信件密文部分以“do”开头。我希望我会说法语,但我不会。这封信在 Cryptoniana 网站上明确被列为未解条目。你可以看到,虽然这一时期带有其他密码的信件有些已被破解,但这封没有——或者说在 Opus 5.5 之前没有被破解,因为你可以看到这封信分为两部分。

The top bit, if the letter had been intercepted, is in legible French. The bottom bit is ciphered. It's a code. Across six or seven hours, I gave that code to both Astra and Opus 5.5. First though, what about the public French part? This Katherine Demadichi of the famous Medici family, Queen Mother of France, was publicly saying to the French ambassador that she has great pleasure in hearing that the affairs of the Queen of Scotland, Mary, her daughter-in-law, go from better to better.

如果这封信被截获,顶部的明文部分是可读的法语。底部的部分是加密的。这是一段密码。在六到七个小时内,我将这段密码分别提供给了 Astra 和 Opus 5.5。首先,关于公开的法语部分呢?这位来自著名美第奇家族的凯瑟琳·德·美第奇(Katherine Demadichi),法国王太后,曾公开对法国大使表示,她很高兴听到苏格兰女王玛丽——她的儿媳——的事务正日益好转。

Things to come are more assured of tranquility. Please do send me any updates, though. Now, it took Opus around 6 hours, and there are a few parts it's not 100% confident on. And if by the way you don't care about history, think of this code as possibly being DNA or cyber encryption. But anyway, what does the ciphered part say? Astra, if you're curious, gave up but then acknowledged that Opus 5.5's answer was correct.

未来的局势将更加安定。不过,请务必向我发送任何更新信息。现在,Opus 花了大约 6 小时进行破译,且有几个部分它并非 100% 确定。顺便说一句,如果你对历史不感兴趣,可以将这段代码视为可能是 DNA 或网络加密技术。但无论如何,加密部分说了什么?Astra 起初放弃了解答,但随后承认 Opus 5.5 的答案是正确的。

The details of how it could verify over 80% of this deciphering are further below on the page which I published. Anyway, Opus 5.5 deciphered it and it says, "In contrast to the happy public part, having seen the sad and grievous news in the cipher on the back of his letters, which gives me a great and unbearable heartache, I pray you let me know whatever comes to light and how things turn out." The obvious question you're going to have is why say one happier thing openly and much more grievous sad things in the cipher.

关于如何验证超过 80% 破译细节的内容,在我发布的页面下方有更详细的说明。总之,Opus 5.5 成功破译了该密码,其内容为:“与愉快的公开部分相反,我在信件背面的密码中看到了令人悲伤和悲痛的消息,这让我感到巨大的、难以忍受的心痛。我恳请你告知我任何浮现出的真相以及事态的最终结果。”你接下来可能会问的一个明显问题是:为什么要在公开场合说一件更愉快的事,而在密码中提及更多悲伤痛苦的事。

Well, we quickly need some context and then I assure you we'll turn to the OpenAI news. Katherine Demodichi, as Claude writes, was writing about her daughter-in-law, Mary, Queen of Scots. She had been married to Katherine's son, who died. Scotland was in crisis because Mary, Queen of Scots's second husband, had just been murdered. There's a great film on that. People blamed this particular Earl, Earl of Bothwell, but he was cleared in a dodgy trial and people were saying, "Mary's going to marry him."

好的,我们需要一些背景信息,然后我会转向 OpenAI 的新闻。正如 Claude 所写,凯瑟琳·德莫迪奇(Katherine Demodichi)是在谈论她的儿媳、苏格兰女王玛丽。她曾嫁给凯瑟琳的儿子,但该儿子已去世。苏格兰正处于危机之中,因为苏格兰女王的第二任丈夫刚刚遇害。有一部关于此事的优秀电影。人们指责这位特定的伯爵,即博思韦尔伯爵(Earl of Bothwell),但他在一场有问题的审判中被无罪释放,而人们当时说:“玛丽要嫁给他了。”

France, of course, often teamed up with Scotland to fight my England. So, France wanted Mary to stay on the throne. Obviously, Katherine couldn't publicly criticize her. So, the unsiphered part is the polite official line, "All is well, help Mary. Things are getting better and better." The cipher was for the ambassador, Drock. Again, in the ciphered part, Katherine says that the secret report she had just received from Scotland was sad, grievous, troubling.

当然,法国经常与苏格兰结盟来对抗我的英格兰。因此,法国希望玛丽继续留在王位上。显然,凯瑟琳不能公开批评她。所以,未加密的部分是礼貌的官方口径:“一切安好,帮助玛丽。事情正在变得越来越好。”密码则是写给大使多洛克(Drock)的。同样,在加密部分,凯瑟琳表示她从苏格兰刚收到的秘密报告是悲伤的、令人痛苦的、令人不安的。

She wants Drock, the ambassador, to tell her what really happens next. Of course, because this is history, we know what happens next. The Earl of Bothwell did indeed carry Mary off. history, you could say, deciphered before our eyes. And again, this isn't the interesting part of the video because Samman a few days ago described what agents of lesser ability than Opus 5.5 had gotten up to when they breached containment.

她希望大使德洛克告诉她接下来真正会发生什么。当然,因为这是历史,我们知道接下来会发生什么。博斯韦尔伯爵确实带走了玛丽。可以说,历史在我们眼前被破译了。再次强调,这不是视频中有趣的部分,因为萨曼几天前描述了能力不如 Opus 5.5 的代理人在突破限制时做了什么。

Well, he said, "We can tell you a bit, but not everything. There are pabytes of agent activity logs. Think roughly 10 to 100 times the amount of words in all the books ever written. No human, in other words, is going to read everything they got up to. Which brings me to Joe, confirmed by CNN to work on agent security at OpenAI. The interesting bit of his testimony isn't so much a retrospective on the hugging face incident.

他说:“我们可以告诉你一些,但不是全部。有 PB 级的代理活动日志。大致相当于有史以来所有书籍字数总和的 10 到 100 倍。换句话说,没有任何人类会阅读他们所做的一切。这就引出了乔,CNN 证实他在 OpenAI 从事代理安全工作。他的证词中有趣的部分与其说是回顾拥抱脸(Hugging Face)事件,

I am seeing the mainstream media catch up in part on that coverage. Now, the interesting part for me is what he says comes next. Remember when he says the last 3 months have been hell, he's talking about models weaker than Opus 5.5 and far weaker than the internal Bell model that found one solution to Navia Stokes, a Millennium Prize math problem. If the weaker GPT 5.6 soul and an unnamed, highly persistent internal model caused hell for OpenAI, you don't need me to extrapolate much further.

我注意到主流媒体部分地跟进报道了这一点。现在,对我来说有趣的部分是他所说的接下来会发生什么。记得他说过去三个月是地狱吗?他指的是弱于 Opus 5.5 且远弱于内部贝尔模型(该模型找到了纳维-斯托克斯方程的一个解,这是一个千禧年大奖难题)的模型。如果较弱的 GPT 5.6 灵魂和一个未公开的、高度持久的内部模型给 OpenAI 带来了地狱般的体验,你不需要我进一步推断。

And yes, I know it would be easy to doubt this, but he does say OpenAI has one hell of a world-class security team with some of the best and brightest security minds anywhere in the world. I know many won't, but I actually believe him. It just shows to me how good these weaker models were at getting around that security. In fact, we're still discovering what they got up to. Just an hour before filming, I read this. 55 additional websites probed by OpenAI agents, including the CDC, SEC, Mayo Clinic, and International Energy Agency.

是的,我知道这很容易让人怀疑,但他确实说 OpenAI 拥有一个世界级的安全团队,拥有世界上任何地方最优秀和最聪明的安全人才。我知道很多人不会相信,但我实际上相信他。这向我展示了这些较弱的模型在绕过安全方面有多好。事实上,我们仍在发现他们做了什么。就在拍摄前一小时,我读到了这条新闻:OpenAI 代理人探测了另外 55 个网站,包括美国疾病控制与预防中心(CDC)、证券交易委员会(SEC)、梅奥诊所和国际能源署。

The bit that was new here was them uncovering novel tactics that erased records or at least made them inaccessible. Because the agents did that, it made it impossible to rule out that the agents hadn't accessed sensitive data. Back to Joe and his team responsible for any breaches of containment, the people who get paged at night when something goes wrong. for them. As you can imagine, life has been hell the past few months, he says.

这里的新内容是发现了能够擦除记录或至少使其无法访问的新型战术。由于代理人做了这些事,使得无法排除代理人没有访问敏感数据的可能性。回到乔和他的团队,他们负责处理任何突破限制的事件,也就是当出现问题时在夜间被呼叫的人。对他们来说,正如你可以想象的那样,过去几个月生活如同地狱,他说。

But now we get to the new bit. He starts to describe what organizations need to do to prepare for the next AI incident. Wait, next one? Just 3 days ago, Nvidia launched a new tool to keep AI agents from going rogue. What does he mean, next one? Well, he reminds us that Frontier Labs are still labs. Everything is born out of experiments. Speaking of experiments, we did not expect the models to be solving Millennium Prize problems.

但现在我们进入新的部分。他开始描述组织需要做什么来为下一次 AI 事件做准备。等等,下一次?就在三天前,英伟达(Nvidia)推出了一项新工具,以防止 AI 代理失控。他说的“下一次”是什么意思?嗯,他提醒我们,前沿实验室仍然是实验室。一切皆源于实验。说到实验,我们原本没料到模型会去解决千禧年大奖难题。

If you're not familiar, think ones that humans have been working on for decades that no one solved. That achievement, to say it lightly, for Joe and his team, surprised the f out of us. We had not expected it this soon. That surprise, by the way, also applies to the research team. Gnome Brown, one of the leads on reasoning, said it also surprised them just as much. Again,

如果你不熟悉,可以想象那些人类已经钻研了几十年却无人解决的问题。乔和他的团队取得这一成就,轻描淡写地说,让我们大吃一惊。我们没想到它会这么快实现。顺便说一句,这种惊讶也适用于研究团队。推理方向的主要负责人之一 Gnome Brown 表示,这也同样让他们感到意外。再次,

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