北约秘书长：特朗普让北约变得更好

We saw you in there. We were watching the whole back and forth with yourself, the president and a gaggle of reporters in the Oval Office. You had everything from whiteboards to stats to make the argument to President Trump, did you manage to soften some of the edges when it comes to Trump and the Alliance? Well, I mean, but I think it's important is to be fair. And fairness dictates that this president is really doing a huge amount of work to get NATO in better shape.

He had a big success last year in The Hague with the 5% spending commitment. But what I wanted to show to him tonight is that over the last ten years since Trump, 45, and now Trump 47, we see the staggering English and European and Canadian allies spending more, but also when it comes to the year on year increase from 47 in 2025, almost 20% more spending, which is, of course because of Russia and the threat and the war in Ukraine, but also very much because this president is is very forcefully encouraging allies to spend more.

And I think it is fair to share that with him. Well, and Mr. Secretary General, it's not just the president, it's others in his administration as well. The Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, said in Brussels recently that the U.S. would stop paying NATO dues if the allies don't meet defense spending targets. And your understanding, is this just the long term 5% target that matters? Or has has this administration set out to you that there needs to be more interim, uh, goals met in the short term?

Well, what we are seeing already almost 20% increase that you are reaching the max in terms of absorption capacity. You can only each year on year spent so much more because you have to find and hire and contractor men and women in uniform, and you have to work very hard. And the U.S. is doing that. Europe is doing that. On expanding the output of the defense industrial base, which at the moment on both sides of the Atlantic is simply not producing enough.

So the president is now meeting with the bosses of the big defense industrial companies in the United States to again make that argument. Um, but then given that background, spending almost 20% more means that he not only got to promise in The Hague, but that allies are now delivering take Germany spending twice as much in 2029 and 2021, more than 150 billion by 2029. These are really big numbers and a great success.

I want to ask you about Ukraine, uh, secretary general and what you heard from President Trump today. It was shocking for a lot of people to see massive black clouds of smoke looming over Saint Petersburg. We know that Ukraine is reaching deeper into Russian territory and making remarkable use of its advanced drone technology. Does President Trump believe Ukraine can win this war militarily? Well, let me not speak for President Trump because I think he should do that himself.

But obviously we discussed Ukraine. And you heard this also in the public part of the meeting with the media in the Oval Office that he acknowledged that Ukraine is doing well on the battlefield. is doing well in terms of hitting, uh, some of the critical infrastructure in Russia. I really think that over the last 3 to 6 months and Ukraine is is doing much better. And when you look at the amount of Russians getting killed or seriously wounded, we are now reaching numbers of 30 to 35,000.

But when you look at the war in Vietnam in 14 years, uh, the United States lost. Uh, Russia is not losing in five weeks, but the United States lost in 14 years in Vietnam. Uh, Russia is losing now in three weeks for traditions loss in ten years in Afghanistan in the 1980s. These are staggering number. So, uh, as you saw in the public part of the meeting, the president very much acknowledging the fact that Ukraine Ukrainians are doing so much better.

Also, thanks to U.S. support, which is there for many European and Canadian allies and other key help the U.S. is providing. Well, as we consider what Ukraine has been able to accomplish in the longer range strikes we are seeing into Russian territory. Secretary general of any of the NATO allies expressed some concern about that. The idea that it could spark further Russian retaliation and in NATO countries into it. Well, I think we should start by seeing what happens in 2022.

By the way, in 2014, when they gripped Crimea and then in February of 2022, when they started the full onslaught on Ukraine, this was unprovoked. Uh, there was absolutely no reason for the Russians to do this. So it's only fair for Ukraine to be able to defend itself. And they do this with help from the West. Um, but also because of their own ingenuity, they are extremely successful in constantly updating the drone technology and the entire drone technology, staying ahead of the Russians and therefore really being successful on the battlefield.

Now, it's really something we watched very closely in the Oval Office today. Secretary general. This went on for quite some time, and it was not your first visit, of course, with President Trump. Do you have the playbook now? Did you cook up the recipe? You show up with the goods. A whiteboard, the stats and a story that the president wants to hear. And you might be able to advance your cause, you know, but I believe it to be fair.

When leadership is successful, his leadership is successful. And what I wanted to show today is the successful in three ways. One on you around a degree in the nuclear capability, two or NATO, and not only getting the allies to deliver. Uh, to, to to commit to 5% defense spending, but also to deliver on the spending. And that's clearly what is happening at the moment. And third, by taking, uh, that's that coat of mantel of being the leader of the free world.

And when he meets in Ankara, he will meet with all the allies, but also ten countries there as guests from the Middle East, from the Indo-Pacific. Uh, a total combined GDP of 77 zero $17 trillion. Two and a half the size of the United States. Uh, is absolutely there. To hear his views to to to get his thoughts on the next steps, we collectively have to take him. Well, of course, the financial aspect of this and the investments into the defense industrial base are one part of it, Mr.

Secretary General. But there's also the consideration of actual, uh, human capital and U.S. military forces that are currently stationed all around Europe. Obviously, we've now seen withdrawals and considerations this administration is making about moving troops around further. How do you avoid anything being chaotic in nature? Uh, as that plays out? And how does Europe make sure that it's able to adequately defend himself itself in a in a surprise scenario?

What are those preparations like? I think the United States is doing that. So let's first, uh, agree that the United States has to take care of multiple theaters, not only Europe. Also, for example, in the Pacific. And if a situation would occur where they have to defend both sides of the equation, both in the Pacific and Europe, they have to have a situation in which they have spread their resources to thinly. This is where Europeans have to step up.

This is NATO 3.0, a stronger Europe and a stronger NATO. That means that the US will stay involved in when it comes to the nuclear umbrella, but also when it comes to the conventional. But over time, as you know, we'll see. And this is a structured process, uh, is that the Europeans are taking over more and more of, uh, that leadership role, for example, when it comes to the three combatant commands, they will uh, over the next, uh, is 18 to 24 months, uh, move from American, uh, generals and admirals to uh, European generals in that role.

So that's that's also a example of European stepping up. And also when it comes to Ukraine, the fact that the U.S. is still providing all the support but paid for by Europeans and Canada, which is only fair. So Europe stepping up to us, staying heavily involved when it comes to the conventional nucl

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