苹果财报符合预期,大中华区表现疲软
Apple Sales Meet Estimates, China Is a Weak Spot
苹果作为美股核心标的,其财报中的区域分化(中国疲软)与新管理层动作(Turnus 降本)直接影响估值逻辑与资金流向,建议重点关注后续指引及 AI 落地节奏。
Mark. We keep reading everything you've got on the blog. I don't know how he's doing it. He's live blogging, he's on TV, he's on radio. It is. It is digital doing it all. Maybe it's his digital twin. No. It's really that's really Mark Gurman, I think. Yeah, just down about 3/10 of a percent here in the aftermarket. Um, where should we go? Where should we start when it comes to the Apple story right now? Well, let's let me give the backdrop.
马克。我们一直在博客上阅读你发布的所有内容。我不知道他是怎么做到的。他正在进行实时博客更新,他还上了电视和广播。确实如此。数字媒体正在包揽一切。也许是他的数字分身?不。我认为那真的是马克·古尔曼。是的,在盘后交易中仅下跌了约 3/10 个百分点。那么,我们应该从哪里开始呢?当谈到当前的苹果故事时,我们应该从何说起?好吧,让我先提供背景信息。
No regular iPhone 18. The iPhone 18 Pro is the most minor European upgrade we've seen in a long time. Nobody can find an iPhone duo, no iPhone air two. All the major fall products the MacBook Pro with touch, the Home View, the HomePod mini, the Apple TV, the All That iPad. None of them launch until the holiday quarter get they still beat and they beat because of the iPhone 18 Pro. Uh, likely. Also from continued demand for the iPhone 17 Pro, Promax and all the carrier deals you saw, uh, earlier in the quarter.
没有普通的 iPhone 18。iPhone 18 Pro 是我们长期以来看到的最轻微的欧洲升级版本。根本找不到 iPhone Duo,也没有 iPhone Air 2。所有主要的秋季产品——带触控功能的 MacBook Pro、Home View、HomePod mini、Apple TV 以及所谓的 iPad 全家桶——都要等到假日季度才会上市。它们之所以表现强劲,是因为 iPhone 18 Pro。很可能还得益于 iPhone 17 Pro、Pro Max 的持续需求,以及你在本季度早期看到的各种运营商合约计划。
Uh, so this is a phenomenal report for Apple. The big news, which I think will be phenomenal is the guidance, uh, for the December quarter, Given the backdrop of everything I explain, it all comes down to how the iPhone do what was going to perform. Uh, and so far, uh, the iPhone duo supply is very difficult to understand. New pre-orders didn't come. Uh, aren't launching until the end of January for many buyers. You can't get them at retail stores right now unless you're in I bought.
嗯,所以这是一份对苹果来说非常出色的财报报告。我认为将会非常亮眼的重大消息是 12 月季度的指引。鉴于我刚才解释的所有背景因素,一切都归结为 iPhone 的表现如何。到目前为止,iPhone Duo 的供应情况非常难以捉摸。新的预购订单尚未出现。对于许多买家来说,这些设备要到一月底才发货。如果你不在爱尔兰,你现在无法在零售店买到它们。
Uh, so I'll be interested to see the commentary there and what the numbers actually turn out to be. The other piece here is Greater China and services, both, uh, either a big fall or a strong deceleration. Okay. So yeah, the a big miss when it comes to China. We'll get to that in just a minute. First of all, I want you to help us with the math. If when we do get that guidance about halfway through the call, as you remind everybody on the live blog, Mark, that we're going to get, how do we know the share of duo in there based on the number that we get?
嗯,所以我很有兴趣看看那里的评论以及实际的数据结果。这里的另一个部分是关于大中华区和服务业务,两者要么大幅不及预期,要么增速明显放缓。好的,所以在中国方面出现了较大的失误。我们稍后会谈到这一点。首先,我想请你帮我们算一下这笔账。正如你在实时博客中提醒所有人那样,当我们在这通电话进行到一半时获得那份指引(就像你提到的那样),我们如何根据得到的数据来推算 Duo 在其中所占的份额?
Uh, we have no idea in there. And they're not going to tell us. Uh, so it's going to be difficult to discern, but a bigger number will be it's a $2,000 phone. So a bigger number, a bigger number will mean that there's, you know, quite a big, uptake for the iPhone duo, but they don't register revenue, or at least they traditionally have not registered revenue until the consumer actually receives the device and order being placed.
嗯,我们对此毫无头绪。而且他们也不会告诉我们。因此,要分辨清楚将非常困难,但考虑到这是一款售价 2000 美元的手机,更大的销量数字意味着 iPhone Duo 获得了相当可观的市场 uptake(采用率)。不过,它们并不确认收入,或者说按照传统惯例,直到消费者实际收到设备并下单之前,都不会确认收入。
Doesn't mean that we're going to add that to the numbers. It has to be the person has received the phone, it's kept the phone, uh, etc. the good news for Apple could be that we're going to see a very strong tailwind because of the supply chain shortages, uh, and give them positive numbers into Q2, Q3, Q4 of next year, given how hard this phone is going to be to get for quite a while now, what will that ultimately hurt them?
这并不意味着我们会把这些数字加进去。必须是用户已经收到了手机,并且保留了手机,等等。对苹果来说的好消息可能是,由于供应链短缺,我们将看到一股非常强劲的顺风,从而在明年第二季度、第三季度和第四季度带来积极的业绩数据,鉴于这款手机目前很难买到,这最终会对他们造成什么伤害?
You know, there's great to have pent up demand, right? It makes for a great story. Great. I think it'll hurt them. I think what Apple is trying to do anyways, especially under tourneys, is create more consistent revenue across the year. For a long time, Apple has pushed everything into the very back part of the year. Uh, and now spreading things across, whether that was the intention or not for the duo, uh, is them hitting a goal they've had for quite some time?
你知道,积压的需求是很好的,对吧?它构成了一个很好的故事。很好。我认为这会伤害他们。我认为苹果无论如何想要做的是,特别是在蒂姆·库克(Tim Cook)领导下,创造全年更一致的营收。长期以来,苹果一直将一切推向年底。而现在将产品分散到全年,无论这对 duo 是否是有意为之,是他们实现了一个长期以来的目标吗?
Um, Mark, I, I'm, I'm wondering about the I mean, like a week ago, one of the most read stories in the terminal sitting here was the story you were writing about. Um, the cracked screens on the duo. Has that issue gone away? Do we expect it to be addressed at all? I imagine an analyst will or two will ask about this. We've seen a dramatic slowdown in people reporting the cracks. The cracks are reported from the first units that were sold.
嗯,马克,我,我在想,我的意思是,就像一周前,终端上阅读量最高的故事之一就是你正在写的那个关于 duo 屏幕碎裂的故事。这个问题消失了吗?我们期望它得到解决吗?我想会有一个或两个分析师会问到这一点。我们看到报告屏幕碎裂的人数急剧下降。这些碎裂是从售出的首批单元中报告的。
Uh, there does not appear to be any consistency on which units are impacted, whether that's a color, whether that's if you bought it online or in the retail store, whether it was manufactured in China or India or what have you. Uh, I'm sure they'll get a question about it, but it is completely died down, which tells me this was an early batch defect. Uh, was a real issue. There were some influencers online trying to gaslight people into believing this was not an issue.
看起来受影响的单元没有任何一致性,无论是颜色,还是你是在网上购买还是在零售店购买,无论是在中国还是印度制造,或者其他情况。我确信他们会收到关于此的提问,但这种情况已经完全平息了,这表明这是一个早期批次缺陷。确实是一个问题。有一些在线网红试图通过煤气灯效应让人们相信这不是一个问题。
Um, and the fact of the matter is, for a small percentage of iPhone zero buyers, you open the phone the right way. Uh, and it cracked. Mhm. And that's a real problem. But it clearly was an isolated problem. Mark one of the things that jumped out ahead of the earnings as Tim and I were reading through the blog, um, your comments about how this is going to be the first for Apple's new CEO, John Turnus in charge. And you know what?
嗯,事实是,对于一小部分 iPhone Zero 买家来说,你以正确的方式打开手机,它就碎了。嗯哼。这是一个真正的问题。但显然这是一个孤立的问题。马克,我和蒂姆在阅读博客时注意到的一件事,是关于你对苹果新任 CEO 约翰·特纳(John Turnus)上任后的评论。你知道吗?
We might hear from him on the call? He's a product guy. So I'm just curious what you're going to be listening out for, of what he might tell you, all this credit. Yeah, yeah, he gets all of his credit for being a product person. But at the end of the day, Apple is a product company and nothing has changed here. Uh, all the initiatives that you see introduced, you know, over the past several weeks, these were all in the works for half a decade under Tim Cook.
我们可能会在电话会议上听到他的发言吗?他是负责产品的人。所以我很好奇你会留意他可能告诉你的哪些内容,关于所有这些信贷额度。是的,是的,他因作为产品负责人而获得所有赞誉。但归根结底,苹果是一家产品公司,这一点从未改变。嗯,你过去几周看到推出的所有举措,其实都在蒂姆·库克(Tim Cook)领导下酝酿了五年之久。
Obviously, Turnus was extremely, you know, deep in the thick of things. Uh, but the reality is, is that nothing is changing a ton at Apple. Uh, because of this, at least for now. I have reported, though, he wants the company to run faster, wants to run leaner. There have been a lot of under the radar layoffs and less under the radar layoffs at Apple. Uh, there's been cost cutting, and I expect more cost cutting to happen.
显然,特努斯(Turnus)深度参与其中。嗯,但现实是,至少在目前,苹果没有发生巨大变化。不过我报道过,他希望公司运行得更快、更精简。苹果已经发生了许多低调的裁员,以及不那么低调的裁员。嗯,已经有成本削减措施,我预计还会有更多成本削减。
And so the guidance, uh, definitely is going to be the most interesting part here. Why are they looking at all of these layoffs? Why are they looking at the cost cutting? What does that mean for revenue and what they're expecting there. Hey, Mark, let's go to the AI story here. Uh, Apple's up roughly 25 AI story. Okay, so. Well, that's the point. So Apple's up roughly 25%. Best performing magic seven going into today's print beating by far Microsoft down a tad up 10%.
因此,业绩指引肯定是这里最有趣的部分。为什么他们要关注这些裁员?为什么他们要关注成本削减?这对收入以及他们的预期意味着什么?嘿,马克,让我们谈谈AI故事。嗯,苹果股价上涨约25%。好的。嗯,这就是重点。所以苹果股价上涨约25%,是今日财报发布前表现最好的“神奇七”(Magnificent Seven)股票,大幅领先微软,后者小幅下跌,上涨10%。
So not only is it is it beating the um greater index, but it's it's it's like the only one that's beating the greater index, right. Um, so Apple has been punished in the past and, and criticized for not having an AI strategy. But what that means is it does have a free cash flow position that is enviable. If you are spending a lot of your cash right now, like some of these hyperscalers are in, is that am I am I looking at this incorrectly?
所以它不仅跑赢了大盘指数,而且它是唯一跑赢大盘指数的股票,对吧。嗯,所以苹果过去曾受到惩罚和批评,因为它缺乏AI战略。但这意味着它拥有令人羡慕的自由现金流状况。如果你现在花费大量现金,就像一些超大规模云服务商那样,我是不是看错了?
No, I think you're looking at the most optimistic view here. But at the same time, we've seen zero evidence from Apple that they're going to be able to successfully take advantage of that cash holding and trade that in, uh, for a strong AI strategy. I've been using OpenAI ChatGPT Over the weekend. Mhm. Uh, have completely, you know, immersed myself in an apple has nothing close. It's a game changer. It's literally like an all day assistant that's like a human that you can have.
不,我认为你看到的是最乐观的观点。但同时,我们还没有看到任何来自苹果的证据,证明他们能够成功利用这笔现金储备,并将其转化为强大的AI战略。周末我一直在使用OpenAI的ChatGPT。嗯哼。嗯,完全沉浸其中,你知道的,苹果没有任何接近的产品。这是一个游戏规则改变者。它就像一个全天候的人类助手一样。
This is the agent. This is their answer to muse. This is their agent. Yes. Um, answer to, uh, to Claude. Answer to muse. It's been pretty terrific. And Siri is operating nowhere close. What about Siri, the Siri AI chat bot? Have you played with it? Like it? Is it? Yeah. Siri is fantastic. For 90% of use cases, you ask questions. It uses that Gemini model to get you the answers. You need to get something done on your phone.
这是该智能体。这是它对缪斯(muse)的回答。这是他们的智能体。是的。嗯,对,呃,对 Claude 的回答。对缪斯的回答。效果相当出色。而 Siri 的表现还差得远呢。那 Siri 呢,Siri AI 聊天机器人?你用过吗?喜欢它吗?它是怎样的?是的。Siri 非常出色。在 90% 的使用场景中,当你提问时,它会利用 Gemini 模型来为你提供答案。你需要在手机上手头处理一些事情。
You can get something done on your phone. But in terms of replicating a real world assistant, it's not that. It's basically what the original vision of Siri was 15 years ago, but finally executed correctly. That's an amazing thing. It means that the core AI, a product that Apple has, finally works. That means they have an excellent foundation. Now they have to actually build something on top of it. Services. This has always been an important, um, revenue generator, and it looks like it's slowing.
你可以在手机上完成一些任务。但在复制现实世界中的助手方面,它还做不到。它基本上实现了 Siri 十五年前最初的愿景,但终于正确地执行了。这是一件了不起的事情。这意味着苹果拥有的核心 AI 产品终于奏效了。这意味着他们拥有了一个坚实的基础。现在他们必须在此基础上真正构建出一些东西。服务。这一直是一个重要的、嗯,收入来源,而且看起来正在放缓。
Um, how problematic is that? Or what's the question to ask of John Turnus and th
嗯,这有多成问题?或者说,向约翰·特努斯(John Turnus)和 th 提出的问题是什么?
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