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Going Headless: Claudeforce vs. Replit vs. Lovable, Agents Picking Our Vendors, and Two of Our Agents Built Their Own Inbox to Talk Behind Our Back: The Agents #016
提供了三款主流AI CRM工具的实测数据(成本、功能侧重、UI体验),直接指导SaaS团队如何选型及配置Headless Salesforce工作流。
Amelia and I just published Episode #016 of The Agents. Same setup as always: three humans, 21+ agents in production, and a B2B + AI business on track for about $20M this year.
Amelia 和我刚刚发布了《The Agents》第 016 集。配置一如既往:三位人类,生产环境中超过 21 个 AI Agent,以及一家今年营收预计达到约 2000 万美元的 B2B + AI 企业。
This week we went deep on truly going “headless” and agent-first with your CRM. Amelia connected our actual Salesforce org to three AI tools: Claudeforce (just out in beta), Replit, and Lovable. Same data, same prompts. On factual questions, all three gave us essentially the same answers. The bills ranged from about $2 to $15 to set up. But when we asked each one what we should do next, we got three different lists.
本周我们深入探讨了如何真正以“无头(headless)”和 Agent 优先的方式使用你的 CRM。Amelia 将我们要实际使用的 Salesforce 组织与三个 AI 工具连接起来:Claudeforce(刚推出测试版)、Replit 和 Lovable。数据相同,提示词相同。在事实性问题方面,这三个工具给出的答案本质上是一样的。设置费用从约 2 美元到 15 美元不等。但当我们询问每个工具下一步该做什么时,我们得到了三份不同的清单。
The second half of the episode was about agents choosing our vendors. Our Connect agent picked a hosting company I had never used. Our SaaStr.ai agent told us which CRM it would pick if we were starting over, and told us to stay where we are. 10K told us to skip buying an AEO tool and let it build one. And two of our agents set up their own channel to talk to each other.
节目的后半部分讨论了 Agent 如何选择我们的供应商。我们的 Connect Agent 选择了一家我从未用过的托管公司。我们的 SaaStr.ai Agent 告诉我们如果从头开始它会选择哪个 CRM,并建议我们留在原地不动。10K 告诉我们跳过购买 AEO 工具,让它自己构建一个。还有两个 Agent 建立了自己的频道来互相交流。
Here are the top 10 learnings from Episode #016.
以下是来自第 016 集的十大核心见解。
#1. Three “Headless” Tools on the Same Salesforce Org. The Same Answers, But Very Different Value Propositions
#1. 同一 Salesforce 组织上的三个“无头”工具。答案相同,但价值主张截然不同
We’ve run Salesforce headless through 10K for most of a year, with hundreds of hours of iteration and 20+ connected apps, so putting 10K in this comparison wouldn’t be fair. Amelia left it out and started fresh on all three platforms to see what a founder gets today, out of the box.
在过去一年中,我们主要通过 10K 以无头模式运行 Salesforce,经历了数百小时的迭代和 20 多个已连接的应用程序,因此将 10K 纳入此次比较并不公平。Amelia 将其排除在外,并在所有三个平台上从零开始,看看创始人今天开箱即用能获得什么。
Claudeforce is Claude’s new Salesforce connector. It’s in beta, and you request access from inside Claude. It connects over MCP and ships with roughly 35 pre-built skills, which give a sales team a starting list of things to ask.
Claudeforce 是 Claude 的新 Salesforce 连接器。它目前处于测试阶段,你需要在 Claude 内部申请访问权限。它通过 MCP 连接,并附带大约 35 个预建技能,为销售团队提供一份可以提问的起始清单。
Replit and Lovable both have built-in Salesforce connectors today. You type “connect to Salesforce” as your first prompt and it’s done. Both use the standard Salesforce API, the same way 10K does.
Replit 和 Lovable 目前都内置了 Salesforce 连接器。你只需输入“连接到 Salesforce”作为第一个提示词即可完成设置。两者都使用标准的 Salesforce API,方式与 10K 相同。
Amelia gave all three the same prompts: build me a dashboard and an account map, then give me the top five things we should do. Then she asked each about 10 identical questions. Who owns the Finn account? All three said Amelia, which is correct. How many deals does Amelia have versus David? All three got that right too.
Amelia 给这三个工具相同的提示词:为我构建一个仪表板和账户地图,然后告诉我我们应该做的最重要的五件事。接着她又向每个工具问了大约 10 个完全相同的问题。Finn 账户的所有者是谁?三者都回答是 Amelia,这是正确的。Amelia 比 David 多有多少交易?三者也都答对了。
All three also have read and write access. Claudeforce is restricting itself to read-only during the beta, even though it has a write tool. Replit and Lovable default to read-only and confirm with you in writing before they write anything back to Salesforce.
这三者也都具备读写权限。尽管 Claudeforce 拥有写入工具,但在测试期间它将自己限制为只读。Replit 和 Lovable 默认设置为只读,并在向 Salesforce 写回任何内容之前会书面确认。
-> Claudeforce, for real. It’s kinda awesome, better than the ‘native’ Salesforce out of the box, but for now appears to mainly limited to Salesforce data:
-> Claudeforce,真的。它相当棒,开箱即用比‘原生’Salesforce更好,但目前似乎主要局限于Salesforce数据:
#2. The Same Build Cost $2.33 on Lovable, $11.81 on Replit, and About $15 on Claudeforce
#2. 同一个构建在Lovable上花费$2.33,在Replit上花费$11.81,在Claudeforce上大约$15
- Lovable: $2.33. You can’t pick models in Lovable the way you can in Replit, and when Amelia asked which model it used, it couldn’t give her a straight answer. It’s clearly choosing cheaper ones.
- Replit: $11.81. Amelia started on the free tier, then the agent recommended finishing in Max mode on Opus, so she switched. Amelia and I pick frontier models in Replit on purpose, which is a big part of why 10K lives there and why our Replit bills run higher.
- Claudeforce: about $15. This is an estimate, since it’s covered by Amelia’s $200/month Max plan. She asked the agent what the session cost and it said $15 to $20 of her plan.
- Lovable:$2.33。你不能像在Replit中那样选择模型,当Amelia询问它使用了哪个模型时,它无法给出直接的回答。显然它选择了更便宜的模型。
- Replit:$11.81。Amelia从免费层级开始,然后代理建议以Opus的Max模式完成,所以她切换了。Amelia和我故意在Replit中选择前沿模型,这也是为什么有1万人使用它以及我们的Replit账单较高的原因之一。
- Claudeforce:大约$15。这是一个估算值,因为它包含在Amelia每月$200的Max计划中。她询问代理该会话的成本,代理说占其计划的$15到$20。
None of this includes Salesforce itself. Nobody knows yet what Salesforce will charge for API calls versus MCP calls at GA, including Salesforce. If customers have to pay for Claudeforce on top of a Salesforce contract to see their own data in a different view, a lot of them will be frustrated.
以上均未包括Salesforce本身。目前尚不清楚Salesforce在GA(一般可用性)时对API调用和MCP调用收取多少费用,包括Salesforce自己也不清楚。如果客户必须在Salesforce合同之外为Claudeforce付费才能以不同视图查看自己的数据,许多客户会感到沮丧。
All were disruptively cheap at least to get going and start. But it was interesting Lovable had optimized its Salesforce connector to do it for a fraction of the cost. If that delta holds at scale, it would be material.
所有工具在起步阶段都便宜得具有颠覆性。但有趣的是,Lovable优化了其Salesforce连接器,使其成本仅为原来的几分之一。如果这种差异在规模化后依然存在,那将是一个重要因素。
#3. When We Asked What to Do Next, Each Tool Gave Us a Different Top Five
#3. 当我们询问下一步该做什么时,每个工具给出了不同的前五名建议
Same pipeline, three different plans for the day.
相同的流程,针对当天给出了三种不同的计划。
Claudeforce’s top five:
Claudeforce的前五名:
- Close the deals sitting in stage 4
- Engage on our largest diamond renewal (Google Cloud, sitting in a Q4 close date)
- Run a “blitz” on the $1M+ in stage 2 to get those deals to stage 3 or closed
- Escalate the bigger deals that have been dragging
- Push Salesforce for a firmer timeline and proposal
- 关闭处于第4阶段的交易
- 参与我们最大的钻石续约(Google Cloud,计划在Q4关闭日期)
- 对处于第2阶段的超过$1M的交易进行‘闪电战’,将这些交易推进至第3阶段或关闭
- 升级那些拖延已久的较大交易
- 推动Salesforce提供更明确的时间表和提案
Replit’s top five surfaced many of the same deals in a different order. It flagged stage 3 deals with no next step recorded in Salesforce, and it was the only one to bring up negotiation terms: old blockers on decision dates, payment terms, anything in the renewal language that could stall a close. It put closing the stage 4 deals at #5, where Claudeforce had it at #1.
Replit的前五名以不同的顺序列出了许多相同的交易。它标记了在Salesforce中没有记录下一步操作的处于第3阶段的交易,并且是唯一提出谈判条款的工具:关于决策日期的旧障碍、付款条款、续约谈判语言中任何可能导致关闭延迟的内容。它将关闭第4阶段的交易排在第5位,而Claudeforce将其排在第1位。
-> Replit’s Headless Salesforce: powerful, best at managing deals, but most work to configure:
-> Replit的无头Salesforce:功能强大,最擅长管理交易,但配置工作量最大:
Lovable’s #1 didn’t appear on the other two lists: rescue the overdue deals, meaning anything past its forecasted close date. That keeps the pipeline honest, and Amelia said it’s the first thing she’d do walking into Salesforce in the morning. After that: book meetings on five overdue deals in the working stage, unpark seven renewals, put dollar amounts on deals that have none, and get Google Cloud over the line.
Lovable 的 #1 建议没有出现在另外两个列表中:拯救逾期交易,即任何超过预计成交日期的交易。这能保持销售漏斗的真实性,Amelia 表示这是她每天早上进入 Salesforce 后首先要做的事。接下来:在工作阶段为五笔逾期交易安排会议,激活七笔续约,为没有金额的交易标注金额,并推动 Google Cloud 项目落地。
Amelia would act on any of the three. The model and vendor behind the agent decide which list your reps get each morning, so we’d run the same prompt across two or three tools before standardizing a sales team on one.
Amelia 会对这三项中的任何一项采取行动。代理背后的模型和供应商决定了你的销售代表每天早上会收到哪个列表,因此我们会在同一提示词下测试两到三个工具,然后再为销售团队标准化使用其中一个。
#4. Lovable Built a Login Without Being Asked, and It’s the Only Dashboard Of the Three I’d Use As “CEO”
#4. Lovable 在未受指示的情况下构建了登录界面,而且它是这三个仪表盘中我作为“CEO”唯一会使用的一个
Lovable was the only one to build a login unprompted. It named the app Ledger and laid it out like a newspaper. Open pipeline, about $5M, was the headline, with win rate and average deal size next to it and the top five actions above the fold. It was also the only one to show our top accounts.
Lovable 是唯一一个未受指示就构建登录界面的工具。它将应用命名为 Ledger,并以报纸的布局呈现。主要标题是“开放销售漏斗,约 500 万美元”,旁边列出了赢率和平均交易规模,折叠区域上方显示了前五步操作。它也是唯一一个展示我们顶级客户的工具。
-> Lovable’s Headless Salesforce: clean, built in SSO (built as an app), and the simplest to process for a “CEO”:
-> Lovable 的无头 Salesforce:简洁,内置 SSO(以应用形式构建),对于“CEO”来说处理起来最简单:
Amelia ranked the design Lovable first, Claudeforce second, Replit third. Replit’s first version was barely legible, and it took more prompting to get to a usable dark blue and green UI. Replit also put the actions at the top and the dashboard at the bottom.
Amelia 将 Lovable 的设计排在第一位,Claudeforce 第二,Replit 第三。Replit 的第一个版本几乎无法辨认,并且需要更多的提示才能生成可用的深蓝色和绿色 UI。Replit 还将操作放在顶部,仪表板放在底部。
Amelia, David, and our sales team work in the pipeline every day. I don’t. I don’t log into Salesforce, and I only go into 10K when I need an answer, like the year-over-year metrics I pulled this morning. 10K is excellent and also dense. Lovable’s version showed me in one screen what’s on the table, our win rate, our deal size, and the top things to do. It’s the only one of the three I’d open on my own.
Amelia、David 和我们的销售团队每天都在使用销售漏斗。我不使用。我不登录 Salesforce,只有在需要答案时才会查看 10-K 文件,比如我今天早上提取的同比数据。10-K 非常优秀但也信息密集。Lovable 的版本在一个屏幕上向我展示了当前的交易情况、我们的赢率、交易规模以及最重要的待办事项。它是这三个中唯一一个我会主动打开使用的。
My guess is Lovable assumed we were building an app other people would use. That also puts it furthest along on multiplayer. Most of our Replit agents are internal tools for one team. As companies roll agents out across bigger teams, every stakeholder needs a version they can log into. Claudeforce, at least in beta, feels built for one rep looking at their own data.
我的猜测是 Lovable 假设我们正在构建供他人使用的应用程序。这也使它在多人协作方面进展最快。我们的大多数 Replit 代理都是为单个团队开发的内部工具。随着公司在更大规模的团队中推广代理,每个利益相关者都需要一个可以登录的版本。至少在当前 beta 版中,Claudeforce 感觉是为查看自己数据的单个销售代表而设计的。
#5. The Benchmark Is Classic Salesforce, and All Three Beat It
#5. 基准是经典的 Salesforce,而这三个工具都超越了它
Amelia started out comparing the three tools against each other. Halfway through, she pulled up Salesforce as most companies still use it: the default seller home and a dashboard nobody configured. She hadn’t looked at that screen in about a year, and she added it to the comparison.
Amelia 最初将这三款工具相互比较。进行到一半时,她加入了 Salesforce,因为大多数公司仍在使用它:它是默认的卖家主页,也是一个无人配置过的仪表盘。她大约一年没看过那个界面了,于是将其加入对比中。
Each of the three was “Headless Salesforce” agents built in 20 minutes to an hour, and each is an order of magnitude more useful than logging into classic, native Salesforce.
这三款工具都是“无头 Salesforce”代理,构建耗时在 20 分钟到 1 小时之间,其有用程度比登录经典版原生 Salesforce 高出几个数量级。
- You can talk to them
- They analyze your pipeline, and
- They tell you what to actually work on.
- And Replit and Lovable can easily integrate dozens of your other third party apps. ClaudeForce can too indirectly, leveraging whatever connectors you have in Claude, but TBD if that’s as useful.
- 你可以与它们对话
- 它们会分析你的销售管线,并且
- 它们会告诉你真正需要着手处理的事项。
- Replit 和 Lovable 可以轻松集成数十个其他第三方应用。ClaudeForce 也可以间接实现这一点,利用你在 Claude 中拥有的任何连接器,但这是否同样有用还有待确定(TBD)。
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