沙特机场遇袭致百余人伤亡,中东地缘风险加剧推高航运成本
Saudi Airport Attack Raises Middle East War Risks
中东核心枢纽遇袭直接冲击全球能源物流与航运定价,叠加俄乌冲突新动态,构成重大宏观变量。建议关注油价波动、红海航运险费率及能源股避险逻辑。
Let me start with you. And maybe you can just get us up to speed on what we know and don't know. This was the latest in a string of attacks that Saudi Arabia has seen over the course of the last few days here. But to Cristina's point, put this in some context here. This was a massive attack and it's having seismic ramifications across the region. Yeah, absolutely David. Enemy the size and scope there is the superlative.
让我先请你来谈谈。也许你可以帮我们梳理一下目前的已知和未知情况。这是沙特阿拉伯在过去几天里遭遇的一系列袭击中的最新一起。但正如克里斯蒂娜所指出的,我们需要将其置于一定的背景中。这是一次大规模袭击,正在该地区引发地震般的连锁反应。是的,绝对如此,大卫。其规模和范围堪称空前。
As you guys have just alluded to, this is the single deadliest incident since the start of the Iran war. And of course, when we talk about the wider context, the war between Iran and the US is still very much taking place, as you guys know. But this has taken a different front. This is a war that's been going on between Saudi Arabia and the Yemen based Houthis. For the good part of the past decade, it has accelerated over the past few weeks.
正如你们刚才所暗示的,这是自伊朗战争开始以来最致命的单一事件。当然,当我们谈论更广泛的背景时,伊朗与美国之间的战争仍在进行中,正如你们所知。但这开辟了一个新的战线。这是一场沙特阿拉伯与也门胡塞武装之间持续进行的战争。在过去十年大部分时间里,它在最近几周加速升级。
Of course, we've reported on a major pipeline in Saudi Arabia being shut down for a little bit. And now this attack on King Khalid Airport in, uh, in Riyadh, the capital, of course, the main airport in the city we've reported about a dozen casualties, over 300 injuries, some of them in critical conditions. I mean, the footage that you guys were showing at the top of the segment is just devastating. It really gets to show just how much damage there is.
当然,我们曾报道过沙特阿拉伯的一条主要管道曾短暂关闭。而现在,对首都利雅得国王哈立德机场的袭击,当然也是该市的主要机场,据报道造成约十二人死亡,300多人受伤,其中一些人伤势危重。我的意思是,你们在节目开头展示的画面令人心碎。它真正展示了破坏程度有多严重。
And you also alluded to the fact that this happens at a time where Saudi Arabia is gearing up for two major conferences. One is already taking place. WPC that is the World Petroleum Congress with a lot of officials and a lot of executives from big companies were expected to attend. The latest reporting that we have is that BP May O'Neal is no longer attending in person. What? And so on from shell. Also, according to Bloomberg, reporting not attending due to the of course, disruption that we're seeing in the flight movement.
你还提到了一个事实,即此事发生在沙特阿拉伯筹备两场大型会议之际。其中一场已经在举行。世界石油大会(WPC)预计将有大量官员和各大公司的高管出席。我们最新的报道是,英国石油公司(BP)的梅·奥尼尔不再亲自出席。什么?壳牌公司也有类似情况。此外,据彭博社报道,由于我们看到的航班流动中断,他们也不出席。
And we're gearing up in a couple of weeks time to the 10th anniversary for the FII, the major financial conferences. So that is for now, going ahead. It is going according to plan. But of course, the situation remains very, very fluid this morning and yesterday in Saudi Arabia. Warnings from the UK and the US about travel in light of all of this. Alex, as we talk a lot about this conflict in the East, we talk about urban populations previously considering themselves safe, now suddenly finding themselves at risk in this conflict.
而我们在几周后还将迎来金融投资国际会议(FII)这一重大金融会议的十周年庆典。因此,目前该会议照常进行,按计划推进。但当然,今天早上和昨天沙特阿拉伯的局势仍然非常动荡。英国和美国发出了关于旅行的警告。亚历克斯,当我们经常讨论东部的这场冲突时,我们谈到城市人口以前认为自己很安全,现在却突然发现自己处于这场冲突的风险之中。
This is obviously something they've been dealing with in Ukraine, in Kiev in particular for quite some time now. There were some very tough strikes, a lot of casualties over the past week. And now that comes on the heels of these remarks from President Trump. I'm wondering how they were received inside the country. And then we've already seen some reaction from European leaders. If you could take us through that. Um, yes, absolutely.
这显然是他们在乌克兰,特别是基辅,长期以来一直在处理的问题。过去一周发生了多次非常猛烈的打击,造成大量伤亡。而这一切又紧随特朗普总统的这些言论之后。我想知道这些言论在国内是如何被接受的。然后我们已经看到了一些欧洲领导人的反应。你能带我们了解一下吗?嗯,是的,当然可以。
Uh, the Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities are nothing new. They have been taking place since 2022, but in recent weeks Russia has been intensifying. And this is largely due to the fact that the Russian forces on the battlefield are not doing well in some areas. They're even reportedly retreating. Um, and as a result, Russia has taken the war to the air, uh, striking civilians and civilian targets such as bridges, hospitals, schools and and just people's homes in multiple cities.
嗯,俄罗斯对乌克兰城市的袭击并非新鲜事。自2022年以来一直存在,但近几周俄罗斯正在加剧这种行动。这在很大程度上是因为俄军在战场上的某些区域表现不佳。据报道,他们甚至在撤退。因此,俄罗斯将战争转向空中,袭击平民和民用目标,如桥梁、医院、学校以及多个城市中的民宅。
Um, in terms of the, uh, uh, the comments by the US President Trump, um, this is, uh, not something that majority of Ukraine, uh, Ukrainian population is currently supporting. Um, uh, according to the latest poll in which was taken in Ukraine, uh, in late September. 71% Ukrainians believe that uh, elections cannot take place while the worries and going only 24% think that elections can take place. Um, so based on this, I said, I suspect that Ukraine will be unwilling to hold a fresh election.
嗯,关于美国总统特朗普的评论,嗯,这并不是目前乌克兰大多数人口所支持的。嗯,根据9月下旬在乌克兰进行的一项最新民意调查,71%的乌克兰人认为在担忧持续的情况下无法举行选举,只有24%的人认为可以举行选举。嗯,所以基于此,我说,我怀疑乌克兰不愿意举行新的选举。
And even if there is a fresh election, um, the president Zielinski his approval rating is actually quite high. And, uh, in a hypothetical, uh, Paul, about if he wanted to run again. Um, he's actually performing fairly well, either as the front runner or the the second. Maybe we can spend some time talking about this diesel deal and ramifications, both in Ukraine and in that conflict, in what's happening in the Middle East as well.
即使举行新的选举,嗯,泽连斯基总统的支持率实际上相当高。而且,嗯,在一项假设性的调查中,如果他打算再次参选,嗯,他的表现相当不错,无论是作为领跑者还是第二名。也许我们可以花些时间谈谈这笔柴油交易及其影响,无论是在乌克兰还是在冲突中,以及在中东发生的情况。
But, Alex, let me go to you first on that point. Uh, President Zelensky's consternation, outrage over this deal is really evident in the post that he's made on social media. The remarks that, uh, that he's given here. Walk us through what it means that in real terms, what he's arguing here is this is money that will go straight into Russia's coffers and will allow them to prolong this, this conflict. Uh, and the present United States, presumably is blind to that or ignoring that fact.
但是,亚历克斯,让我先就这一点问你。泽连斯基总统对此交易的震惊和愤怒在他发布的社交媒体帖子中表现得非常明显。他在这里发表的言论。请带我们了解这意味着什么,从实际角度来看,他所争论的是,这笔钱将直接进入俄罗斯的国库,并允许他们延长这场冲突。嗯,目前的美国政府, presumably,对此视而不见或无视这一事实。
What does it mean in real terms here, to have this money flowing back into Russia in this way? Uh, if this diesel importation is allowed to go forward, Russia has a multiple advantages over Ukraine in terms of financial power, manpower and firepower. And Ukraine has been trying to reduce at least some of those for quite some time. Uh, Ukrainian attacks in Russian refineries and other energy infrastructure was one of the ways to reduce the Russian financial power and, uh, reduce the ability of the Russian state to fund this war.
从实际角度来看,以这种方式让资金回流俄罗斯意味着什么?嗯,如果允许这种柴油进口继续下去,俄罗斯在财力、人力和火力方面将比乌克兰拥有多重优势。而乌克兰一直在努力至少削弱其中一些优势。嗯,乌克兰对俄罗斯炼油厂和其他能源基础设施的袭击就是削弱俄罗斯财力、并降低俄罗斯国家为这场战争提供资金能力的一种方式。
Uh, so from the Ukrainian perspective, anything that helps Russian financial position is damaging. Um, I do not think that it will have a very materially big impact on, uh, Russian fiscal position because the volumes, um, of diesel to be exported by Russia are fairly small. Uh, especially on the global level. But, uh, from the Ukrainian perspective, this is about, uh, a matter of principle. Uh, Ukraine expects countries to reduce, uh, their trade, uh, with Russia rather than increase their trade with Russia.
嗯,因此从乌克兰的角度来看,任何有助于改善俄罗斯财政状况的事情都是有害的。嗯,我认为这不会对俄罗斯的财政状况产生非常实质性的重大影响,因为俄罗斯要出口的柴油量相对较小。嗯,尤其是在全球层面上。但是,嗯,从乌克兰的角度来看,这是一个原则问题。嗯,乌克兰希望各国减少与俄罗斯的贸易,而不是增加与俄罗斯的贸易。
Um, here, when you look at what is going on with oil production and transport in your region. It seems to me you've got three main issues, right? You've got refining capacity, you've got delivery and then you've got a production. This was a really tough week for tankers in the Gulf, right? This past week, 11 tankers came under attack. We also showed a chart a couple of days ago that the cost of shipping is at an all time high.
嗯,在这里,当你审视你所在地区石油生产和运输的情况时,在我看来你有三个主要问题,对吧?你面临的是炼油能力、交付以及生产。这对海湾地区的油轮来说真是艰难的一周,对吧?过去一周,有11艘油轮遭到袭击。我们几天前还展示了一张图表,显示航运成本处于历史最高水平。
It goes like this and then like this. And that's everything. That's insurance. That's the crew. That's just the cost of moving this around. How are Gulf leaders trying to deal with this given the current state of play? Given all the uncertainties and now the fact that the Red sea is not a safe bet as a way to get this product to market. Yeah, it's a deep problem. Christina. Right. I mean, some of the Gulf officials, including in the UAE and more recently in Saudi Arabia, have been doubling down on this argument that in a couple of years time, in a few years time, they want to develop the zero Hormuz strategy, where none of their tankers go through the Strait of Hormuz.
费用构成是这样的,然后是这样的。这就是全部了。包括保险、船员费用,仅仅是移动这些货物的成本。鉴于当前的局势,海湾领导人正试图如何应对这一问题?考虑到所有的不确定性,以及红海已不再是一条安全可靠的将产品运往市场的途径这一事实。是的,这是一个深层次的问题。克里斯蒂娜。没错。我的意思是,一些海湾官员,包括阿联酋的官员,以及最近沙特阿拉伯的官员,都在强化这一论点:他们希望在几年后,即不久的将来,推行“零霍尔木兹”战略,使其所有油轮都不经过霍尔木兹海峡。
Now, this has been kind of mimicked by U.S. officials on your side of the room. But for the time being, what you're seeing the Strait of Hormuz in the numbers that you have alluded to, more than 500% increase in the trip that tankers or super tankers make from the Persian Gulf to Asia. As a matter of fact, Bloomberg ran a story suggesting that it's now more expensive to make that trip to Asia than it is to fly a rocket to space.
现在,美国官员在你们这一侧也对此进行了某种模仿。但就目前而言,正如你所提到的数据所示,霍尔木兹海峡的情况是:油轮或超级油轮从波斯湾前往亚洲的航程增加了500%以上。事实上,彭博社曾报道指出,如今前往亚洲的航程成本甚至高于将火箭发射到太空的费用。
So that just gets to show you, again, the superlatives that we're dealing with here for Saudi Arabia. And perhaps it's the focal point this morning it's been resorting to the Red sea again. This whole thing started the attacks on Saudi Arabia started because it set out on a route to eliminate. And this is to again, quote, Saudi officials eliminate the Houthi threat. The Houthis have, of course, been diving into the Red sea, taking some real assets there.
这再次向我们展示了我们在沙特阿拉伯问题上所面临的极端情况。也许今天早上关注的焦点是它再次诉诸红海。整个事件的起因是对沙特阿拉伯的攻击,而发起攻击的目的是为了消除一条路线上的威胁。这里再次引用沙特官员的话称,旨在消除胡塞武装的威胁。当然,胡塞武装一直在红海活动,夺取了一些重要的资产。
Saudi Arabia says that it has taken some of the assets that the Houthis have taken a hold of over the past few weeks, namely marjah, which is a main island that is very close to uh, is that where w
沙特阿拉伯表示,他们已经夺回了胡塞武装在过去几周中控制的一些资产,其中包括马尔哈(Marjah),这是一座非常靠近……呃,那是……
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