白宫组建AI风险评估工作组,Jay Clayton任负责人
White House Moves to Assess Growing AI Risks
AI监管政策出现实质性机构进展,Jay Clayton出任负责人释放明确信号,投资者需关注后续报告对市场估值与合规成本的影响。
New this morning, a White House task force will produce a report assessing the risks posed by AI, what responsibility the US government should have over the technology. That's according to the Wall Street Journal, which says the director of national intelligence, one Jay Clayton, will lead the effort effectively making him the administration's first AI czar. Alright. This comes after several AI and tech CEOs gathered at the White House last week and signed a commitment promising to better self police their AI models.
今早最新消息,白宫一个特别工作组将发布一份报告,评估人工智能带来的风险以及美国政府对该技术应承担的责任。据《华尔街日报》报道,国家情报总监杰伊·克莱顿(Jay Clayton)将领导此项工作,这实际上使他成为本届政府的首位“AI沙皇”。好的。此事发生在上周多位AI和科技CEO在白宫聚集并签署承诺、保证更好地自我监管其AI模型之后。
Here's what treasury secretary Bessent told Axios about AI. I believe that we have to be prepared for every occasion. But on the on the other side, you know, I think that kinda, this alarmism without solutions by some some of the AI community, that's not leadership. Well, and it's not just some in the community. It's their CEOs are basically screaming for regulation, warning of losing control of AI. Well, then they should slow down.
以下是财政部长贝森特(Bessent)向Axios谈及AI时的言论:“我相信我们必须为各种情况做好准备。但另一方面,你知道,我认为AI社区中某些人那种没有解决方案的恐慌情绪,算不上领导力。”嗯,而且这不仅仅是社区中的某些人。他们的CEO们基本上是在大声呼吁监管,警告说会失去对AI的控制。那么,他们就应该放慢脚步。
But it... It's, you know, it... I mean, it's kinda kinda like Hannibal Lecter. Stop me before I kill again. Joining us now is Hannibal Lecter was not was not expecting that at the end. Alright. Sorry. We're start there. Joining us now is Bloomberg opinion columnist Gautam Mukunda. Gautam, to David's point, what do you make of the Hannibal Lecter quote? I mean, if Hannibal Lecter came to me and said, stop me before I kill again, I would imagine I would like the police to do something about it and not just expect him to police himself.
但是……它……你知道,它……我的意思是,这有点像汉尼拔·莱克特(Hannibal Lecter)。在我再次杀人之前阻止我。现在与我们连线的是汉尼拔·莱克特?没料到结尾会是这个。好吧。抱歉。我们就从这里开始。现在与我们连线的是彭博社意见专栏作家高塔姆·穆昆达(Gautam Mukunda)。高塔姆,针对大卫的观点,你怎么看待这句汉尼拔·莱克特的引用?我的意思是,如果汉尼拔·莱克特来找我,说“在我再次杀人之前阻止我”,我会想象警察应该对此采取一些行动,而不是仅仅指望他自我约束。
Well, there's so many problems with that quote. I mean, first, as a big fan of the movie Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter would never say stop me before I kill him. Not killing people. Yeah. So so the Trump administration's tendency to get pop culture wrong is one of those mysteries that I I don't quite... We don't don't wanna solve. We won't solve it. We're not gonna solve it here. Yeah. I'm confident in that. So the broader point is just that the...
嗯,这句引用存在很多问题。我的意思是,首先,作为一名《沉默的羔羊》电影的忠实粉丝,汉尼拔·莱克特绝不会说“在我杀他之前阻止我”。不杀人。是的。所以,特朗普政府误用流行文化的一个倾向就是那些我不太清楚……我们不想解决的谜团之一。我们不会解决它。我们在这里也不会解决它。是的。我对此很有信心。所以更广泛的观点仅仅是……
Like, companies caught in a competitive dynamic, even if they want to do the right thing, force... Face enormous market pressures to do the wrong thing. Right? Like, if you were if you were a company that was doing some... To do... Offering gambling to, you know, like, online gambling, and you didn't wanna serve serve addicted gamblers, you would still face pressures from Wall Street to do it because that's the easiest way to goose your numbers.
比如,陷入竞争动态的公司,即使它们想做正确的事,也会面临巨大的市场压力去做错误的事。对吧?比如,如果你是一家提供在线赌博服务的公司,而你不想服务成瘾性赌徒,你仍然会受到来自华尔街的压力去这样做,因为这是推高业绩数字最简单的方法。
And so, of course, you're going to end up doing it. You're gonna end up pushing in that direction. The problem... The regulations of these kinds are actually gifts, not burdens on ethical business people because they give them the leverage to do the things that they know that they should not be doing that short term pressures push them into doing. The argument from Scott Bessent is... I mean, it's on his face when you think about it.
因此,你当然最终会去做。你最终会朝着那个方向推进。问题在于……这类法规实际上是对合乎道德的商界人士的一种馈赠,而非负担,因为它们赋予了他们杠杆力量,使他们能够去做那些本不该做、却受短期压力驱使而去做的事情。斯科特·贝森特(Scott Bessent)的观点是……我是说,当你仔细想想时,这从他脸上就能看出来。
It's kind of absurd. Right? Like, we've seen in the financial markets what happens when you allow the lack of regulation in, you know, 2008. We all lived through what happened there. To say that, oh, companies are just going to do the right thing and stop and pull back when every form of commercial pressure is pushing them the opposite direction. It's just an argument that makes no sense. How do you think about the potential efficacy of this blue ribbon commission, this superintelligence force as it's being described, by the White House?
这有点荒谬。对吧?比如,我们在金融市场上看到过,当允许缺乏监管时(你知道的,2008年),会发生什么。我们都亲历了当时发生的一切。如果说,哦,公司只会做正确的事,并在每种商业压力都推向相反方向时停下来退缩。这只是一个毫无意义的论点。你怎么看待这个蓝带委员会(blue ribbon commission)、这个被白宫描述为“超级智能部队”的潜在效力?
We had this voluntary framework, this moral agreement as the White House called it between the president and these executives. I noted earlier in the week they spelled United States wrong on it indicating maybe how hastily that document came together. My dyslexic self did not notice that, but David definitely did. Where where does that get us sort of having that kind of an agreement? And and do you have any optimism here that this force...
我们曾有过这个自愿框架,白宫称之为总统与这些高管之间的道德协议。我本周早些时候提到,他们在文件上把“United States”拼错了,这表明该文件可能是匆忙拼凑而成的。我这个有阅读障碍的人没注意到这一点,但大卫肯定注意到了。拥有那种协议对我们来说意味着什么呢?你对这支力量……抱有任何乐观态度吗?
This task force is going to, you know, come together to give us anything tangible? I mean, I guess they could have picked someone someone worse than Jay Clayton to run it. So there is... That that did give me a little bit of a of a good feeling. And, David, I'm glad that your superintelligence catches typos all the time. That that that that... That's worthwhile for the White House stuff. I mean, look at the people on it.
这个特别工作组真的能聚集起来,给我们带来任何实质性的成果吗?我是说,我想他们本可以选一个比杰伊·克莱顿(Jay Clayton)更差的人来领导它。所以,这确实让我感到一丝欣慰。而且,大卫,我很高兴你的“超级智能”总能捕捉到打字错误。这对于白宫的那些东西来说……那是值得的。我是说,看看上面那些人。
Right? The... They put they put Jeff's... They put David Sachs on it, and Sachs has been very, very open about the fact that he just wants to push forward. He just is, you know, on the extreme deregulation side on the a... On the industry. It's... He's a sort of the avatar of the people in Silicon Valley who are basically saying, you know, there are no risks. There's money to be made. Let's go forward as fast as possible, which is, of course, the view that president Trump has expressed on many occasions when he's interviewed about this.
对吧?他们……他们把杰夫的……他们把大卫·萨克斯(David Sachs)放到了上面,而萨克斯非常坦率地表示,他只是想推动前进。他站在极端放松监管的一边,在产业方面。他是硅谷中那些基本上说“没有风险,有钱可赚,让我们尽可能快地前进”的人的代表,而这正是特朗普总统在接受采访时多次表达的观点。
You... They may be right or they may be wrong, but this is an administration that has committed itself pretty strongly to the idea that there are no risks and, you know, to quote the president, the only safeguard you need is a high IQ president, and we've got that. So we're in great shape. I hope to be positively surprised by what it comes out with in a hundred and twenty days, but I'm not optimistic. Gautam, I like you so much.
你……他们可能是对的,也可能是错的,但本届政府已经非常坚定地秉持这样一种观念:不存在风险,而且你知道,引用总统的话说,你唯一需要的保障是一位高智商的总统,而我们正好有这样的总统。所以我们的状况很好。我希望在120天内,当结果揭晓时能给我带来积极的惊喜,但我并不乐观。Gautam,我非常喜欢你。
But if you call David superintelligent one more time, I swear I will cut your mic. I I will walk off this set. No. I'm just kidding. Noted. But I actually have a question about the nomenclature there because we have this push in addition to everything else going on with the president where he wants to call AI SI, superintelligence. But this also causes a problem because in the intelligence community, SI is already a thing.
但如果你再叫David超级智能一次,我发誓我会切断你的麦克风。我真的会离开这个录制现场。不,我只是开玩笑。记下了。但我实际上对这里的命名法有个问题,因为除了围绕总统发生的一切之外,我们还有一股推动力,他想把AI称为SI(superintelligence,超级智能)。但这也会造成一个问题,因为在情报界,SI已经是既有的概念了。
It refers to, military, army intelligence, security, communication security. It's already a thing that exists in the spaces where you're gonna be trying to have these national security discussions. Do we think he can force this adoption of SI, or is the president just trying to make Fetch happen? Mean, I I mainly use the term when I'm making fun of my friends at Anthropic. So at this point, I think... I also note that I'm sure this is purely coincidental that that the .si domain name that when he made this announcement, it turned out that a lot of people had sort of bought those in advance and the value of them went up suddenly.
它指的是军事、陆军情报、安全、通信安全。在你试图进行这些国家安全讨论的领域中,这已经是一个存在的事物。我们认为他能强行推行SI这一术语吗?还是总统只是在试图让Fetch成真?我的意思是,我主要在用这个词嘲笑我在Anthropic的朋友们。所以到目前为止,我认为……我还要指出,我相信这纯属巧合,就是在他做出这项宣布时,.si域名恰好被许多人提前购买,其价值突然上涨。
I'm... I mean, I'm sure that's an accident, but it's funny how it's funny how these things happen. Like, it's it's just the the the extent of the... To which the administration at sometimes goes from, you know, policy to farce. Does anybody care whether we call it artificial intelligence or superintelligence, or is this just something the president has sort of grabbed onto and got a Twitter... You know, and did a Truth Social poll on.
我……我的意思是,我相信这是个意外,但这些事情的发生方式真是有趣得可笑。比如,这就是政府有时从政策走向闹剧的程度。有人在乎我们称其为人工智能还是超级智能吗?还是这只是总统抓住不放并上了Twitter……你知道,还在Truth Social上发起过投票的东西。
I I I I don't care what we call it. I care a lot about the fact that these companies are doing things where they don't seem to have control over their own instruments. Yeah. And we have not chosen to make any meaningful reforms to try and stop that from happening. That seems like the the issue that that the president should be spending his time on. Let's let's move from, Washington to Silicon Valley. So we're on the precipice of of Anthropic going public, and we saw its perspectives.
我不在乎我们怎么称呼它。我很关心的是,这些公司正在做的事情似乎超出了它们对自己工具的控制范围。是的。而我们没有选择进行任何有意义的改革来尝试阻止这种情况发生。这似乎是总统应该花时间解决的问题。让我们从华盛顿转到硅谷。因此,Anthropic即将上市,我们看到了它的观点。
And indeed, in there was this warning that this technology could propose a catastrophic or existential risk to to humanity. That was there in the the document itself. Makes me wonder, sir, how you're thinking about the way in which this broader conversation is coloring the way that investors might be looking at this company and others poised to go public here in the months ahead? Well, you know, I guess if if Claude does decide to go rogue and exterminate the human race, our investment returns won't be the first matter.
事实上,文件中确实包含这样的警告:该技术可能给人类带来灾难性或存在性风险。这一警告就存在于文件本身之中。这让我想问您先生,您如何看待更广泛的舆论氛围正在影响投资者对这家公司以及未来几个月内准备在此上市的其他公司的看法?嗯,我想如果 Claude 真的决定失控并灭绝人类,我们的投资回报恐怕就不是首要问题了。
Yeah. Right. Okay. It's nice that they to close. Let's close that. Yeah. So, clearly, there's some marketing component here. Right? Like, let... Let's not pretend that there isn't. But, you know, saying, hey. I'm building someth
是的。好吧。这样挺好,我们结束这个话题吧。好的。显然,这里存在一些营销成分。对吧?比如……让我们不要假装不存在这一点。但是,你知道,说句实在话,嘿。我正在构建某样东西
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