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中期选举民调显示民主党领先,共和党在红州面临压力

Midterm Fight Expands Into Republican Strongholds

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Abby, I think I wanna start with you this morning because as we've been talking about the president's popularity, the unpopularity of some of these economic policies, the war in Iran, etcetera, we've seen an interesting thing, which is, you know, the president does not suffer usually from a lack of loyalty within Republicans, but we are seeing a few candidates pivoting away from mentioning Trump in some of their speeches and almost going against him.

艾比,我想今天早上先从你开始,因为正如我们一直在讨论的总统支持率、某些经济政策的不受欢迎、伊朗战争等等,我们看到了一件有趣的事情,那就是,你知道,总统通常不会缺乏共和党内的忠诚,但我们看到一些候选人在演讲中逐渐减少提及特朗普,甚至几乎与他唱反调。

You know, we have Maria Avril Salazar, a Republican in Florida, making a statement. We have Byron Donald who kinda scrubbed his campaign website of some of the more outright Trump, mentions. Is this a pattern we think we're gonna see, and and how has the reaction been to this? I think it's to be determined. And what's interesting about those two races you mentioned is those are pretty competitive races. Maybe the Florida one shouldn't, the governor's race shouldn't have been.

比如,我们有佛罗里达州的共和党人玛丽亚·阿维尔·萨拉扎尔发表声明。我们有拜伦·唐纳德,他基本上从竞选网站上删除了一些更直白的提及特朗普的内容。我们认为这会成为一个模式吗?反应如何?我认为还有待观察。你提到的那两个选区有趣的是,它们都是相当竞争的选区。也许佛罗里达州的那个不应该如此,州长选举本不该是这种情况。

But as this wave may expand into redder areas, do we start seeing some of these, you know, very red, very, very conservative politicians putting distance? And I think when that what we've seen previously is very normal for a midterm, but if we see this expand deep into conservative country, I think it's a really uncharted territory. Ashley, you have your finger, of course, on the pulse of polling, and there was this NPR PBS Maris poll that came out this week.

但随着这股浪潮可能扩展到更红的地区,我们是否开始看到一些非常红、非常保守的政客拉开距离?我认为以前看到的这在中期选举中很正常,但如果我们看到这种现象深入保守派腹地,我认为这将是一片真正的未知领域。阿什利,你当然对民调脉搏把握得很准,本周有一份NPR PBS马里民调发布。

And I think the the headline from that is that by a 12 margin, I'm quoting here from NPRPs, registered voters say they would prefer to elect a democrat to congress over a republican. How how seismic is that likely to be as we get closer and closer here to the midterms just a few weeks away? Yeah. We're five weeks out at this point, and we see that Democrats in the generic ballot are up by high single digits or, like, some of these polls are actually showing low double digits.

我认为该民调的头号新闻是,以12个百分点的优势,我在此引用NPR的数据,注册选民表示他们更愿意选举民主党人进入国会而不是共和党人。随着几周后即将举行的中期选举越来越近,这可能会产生多大的地震性影响?是的。目前距离选举还有五周,我们看到在通用选票上,民主党领先高个位数,或者像有些民调实际上显示低双位数。

On average, Democrats are up by about nine in the generic. We're seeing more and more favorable chances for Democrats to take over the house most certainly and possibly even the senate. We see a lot of toss ups here, a lot of changes to leaning or likely dim. It's looking like a very good field for democrats right now. In fact, in the generic, they've gained a point and a half. We see the president at his lowest approval ratings, at least during his second term, low low ratings when it comes to the economy and the inflation and gas prices.

平均而言,民主党在通用选票上领先约九个百分点。我们看到民主党接管众议院的机会越来越大,甚至可能接管参议院。我们看到很多摇摆不定,许多倾向或可能转向民主党的变化。目前看来对民主党来说形势非常好。事实上,在通用选票上,他们增加了1.5个百分点。我们看到总统的支持率处于最低点,至少在他的第二个任期内,在经济、通胀和汽油价格方面,他的支持率很低。

It's a pretty abysmal picture right now for Republicans heading into the midterms. Ashley, is the senate realistically in play, and what are some of the unexpected flips to watch either in the house or the senate as you're looking at these races start to tighten? The senate could very well be in play. In fact, prediction models have it anywhere from the upper fifties to 60% likelihood. We definitely need to see Democrats hold on to states like Georgia, New Hampshire, Michigan, Minnesota.

共和党在中期选举前夕的选情相当惨淡。Ashley,参议院席位是否真的存在变数?在你关注这些逐渐胶着的竞选时,众议院或参议院有哪些出人意料的翻转值得留意?参议院席位极有可能存在变数。事实上,预测模型给出的胜率区间在55%到60%之间。我们肯定需要看到民主党守住佐治亚州、新罕布什尔州、密歇根州和明尼苏达州等关键州。

We even have some wild cards when it comes to Montana and Idaho where we see some strong independents running. And then Democrats absolutely have to get, and these are a bunch of toss ups right now. States like North Carolina, Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, and then Maine, of course, we know has been a big one. Now we saw that in the latest New York Times, Sienna, Susan Collins was up by a couple of points, but, obviously, this was before the pay to play allegations.

在蒙大拿州和爱达荷州,我们还看到一些强有力的独立候选人作为“黑马”出现。此外,民主党必须拿下目前处于摇摆状态的多个州,包括北卡罗来纳州、德克萨斯州、俄亥俄州、阿拉斯加州、爱荷华州,当然还有缅因州——我们知道它一直是个重要战场。最新一期《纽约时报》显示,Sienna提到Susan Collins领先几个百分点,但显然这是在“权钱交易”指控之前的事。

So Right. You know? And and we see Kansas as well. So there's a big spread here and a lot of different opportunities for Democrats to get that net plus four. Abby Livingston, let me dovetail this conversation with what we were just talking about, over the the first part of the show that is president Xi's visit to The United States and kind of the anxiety among a lot of farmers in this country about their prospects for for exporting agricultural goods to China.

没错。你也知道,堪萨斯州的情况也是如此。因此这里存在很大的波动空间,民主党有很多机会实现净增四席。Abby Livingston,让我顺着刚才节目前半段讨论的话题继续聊,即习近平主席访美以及许多美国农民对中国出口农产品前景的焦虑。

And as we were saying, we don't have kind of full readouts of what that conversation consisted of. We have kind of a broad promise from president Trump that things are gonna get better for for farmers. When you look at some of the states that Ashley just mentioned in the Midwest, agricultural states like Iowa, How much is this issue among farmers in particular playing a role in the way that we're seeing these, these percentages shift?

正如我们所说,我们并没有关于那次谈话内容的完整解读。我们只得到特朗普总统的一个大致承诺,称农民的境况将会好转。当你审视Ashley刚才提到的中西部农业州,比如爱荷华州时,这个问题在农民群体中究竟有多大影响力,从而影响了我们看到的那些百分比数据的变动?

I think it's absolutely why this state is in play, and I'd throw Kansas into that as well. And you have other issues hitting farmers. You have, the price of diesel, which I'd never heard diesel mentioned in a political conversation before this year, and now it comes up all the time. And you also have Elon Musk's elimination of USAID, which farmers use export their crops to third world countries. And so this is a profession that has a cycle to it, and it has been completely disrupted.

我认为这绝对是该州存在变数的原因之一,我也会把堪萨斯州算在内。农民还面临其他问题,比如柴油价格——在今年之前,我从未在政治对话中听过柴油被提及,而现在它成了常客。此外,还有Elon Musk取消USAID(美国国际开发署)的影响,而农民原本利用该机构向第三世界国家出口农作物。这是一个具有周期性特征的行业,如今其运行节奏已被彻底打乱。

And, you know, I don't think Democrats are gonna win rural America, but I have a sense that they're being heard in a way they haven't in many, many years. Ashley, there's also this interesting polling gap between who voters say they're going to support and who they expect to win. Can you explain that? So, you know, of course, this is perception by by the public. And so the public still sees in some of these red states that the Republican is going to win, but we see also that there's polling that's showing that the Democrat is up by a few points or it's looking like a tie.

而且,你知道,我不认为民主党人会赢得美国农村地区,但我有一种感觉,他们的声音被听到了,这是多年来从未有过的。Ashley,还有一个有趣的民调差距:选民说他们打算支持谁,以及他们预计谁会获胜。你能解释一下吗?所以,你知道,这当然是公众的看法。因此,在部分这些红色州,公众仍然认为共和党人会赢,但我们看到也有民调显示民主党人领先几个百分点,或者看起来势均力敌。

So, you know, very interesting juxtaposition here of voters just believing in what has happened before, the history of where they live, and and who who people have historically voted for versus what's actually going on. And like we had mentioned, especially in some of these redder states where historically it may have been a Republican, we see some very close races or we see potential wins for Democrats. Abby, I know you want to talk about Texas.

所以,你知道,这里有一个非常有趣的对比:选民仅仅相信过去发生的事情、他们居住地的历史,以及人们历史上投票给谁,这与实际情况形成了对比。就像我们提到的那样,特别是在一些更红的州,历史上可能是共和党人占优,我们看到一些非常接近的选情,或者看到民主党人潜在获胜的机会。Abby,我知道你想谈谈德克萨斯州。

I know you want to talk about Paxton and Talarico. Go for it. Well, I would say it's a five alarm fire, but that Republicans were saying that in March. And what I can say is this race is taken extremely seriously by operatives in both parties in the state, and there is a real, real possibility Texas could flip at the senate level and possibly other statewide races in November. Ashley, pick up on this. I look at the Texas Tribune this morning.

我知道你想谈谈Paxton和Talarico。请讲。嗯,我会说这是一场五级火警(形容极其严重),但那是共和党人在三月时说的。我能说的是,这场选举被该州两党的政治行动人士高度重视,德州在参议院层面有可能翻红,甚至在十一月的其他全州性选举中也有可能翻转。Ashley,接着这个话题。我今天早上看了《德克萨斯论坛报》。

This is the headline in large font. All recent polls have Tal Rico ahead of Paxton in the US senate race. What are those data telling you? I'm one of those people you polled that just doesn't quite believe this, but okay. You know, Tyler Rico has been ahead in, I think, 15 out of the past 16 polls. I mean, we always talk about never looking at one singular poll because polls are a snapshot in time. But when you're looking at averages and multiple polls together, this is really telling you something.

这是大标题。所有最近的民调都显示,在美国参议院选举中,Tal Rico领先于Paxton。这些数据告诉你什么?我是那些你民调过的人之一,我对此并不完全相信,但好吧。你知道,Tyler Rico在过去16次民调中的15次里都处于领先地位。我的意思是,我们总是说不要只看单一的一次民调,因为民调只是某个时间点的快照。但是当你查看平均值并将多次民调结合起来看时,这确实说明了一些问题。

I mean, you know, of course, we have talked about polling error in the past and what polling error could mean, but polling error also doesn't necessarily go in one direction. It could favor Democrats as well. So this has been a pretty telling race where we're seeing Talarico lead in virtually all of the polling that has been done there. Abby, there's also some other interesting races. You mentioned Ann Wagner. She's in the Saint Louis suburbs.

我的意思是,你知道,我们当然以前讨论过民调误差以及民调误差可能意味着什么,但民调误差也不一定只朝一个方向偏差。它也可能有利于民主党人。所以这是一场相当具有指示性的选举,我们看到Talarico在该地进行的几乎所有民调中都处于领先地位。Abby,还有一些其他有趣的选区。你提到了Ann Wagner。她在圣路易斯郊区。

She could be in trouble. Why would that be so significant for Republicans? So Ann Wagner's was in trouble in 2018, and Missouri legislators redrew that to be an even safer seat. She's a pretty good politician. But if that seat is even being pulled, that means that there is concern. And not all of these reds red district Republicans are capable of running general election campaigns. They only know primary campaigns. And so we are on the precipice.

她可能陷入困境。这对共和党人来说为何如此重要?2018年,安·瓦格纳(Ann Wagner)曾面临危机,密苏里州立法者重新划界使其成为更加安全的席位。她是一位相当出色的政客。但如果连这个席位都受到威胁,那就说明存在担忧。而且并非所有来自红色选区的共和党人都具备竞选大选的能力,他们只熟悉初选竞选。因此,我们正处于悬崖边缘。

It may or may not happen. But if the bottom falls out, this wave could start compounding where you have candidates who are not prepared to make the case to general election voters, and things could deteriorate over the next few weeks. But we'll have to wait and see if the Republican ad spending can staunch the bleeding.

这种情况可能发生,也可能不会发生。但如果局势彻底崩盘,这股浪潮可能会产生叠加效应,导致那些没有准备好向大选选民阐述观点的候选人出现,未来几周局势可能会恶化。但我们仍需等待并观察共和党的广告支出能否止血。

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