墨西哥外长:美墨关系良好,拒绝联合军事行动并强调主权
Mexico Stresses Sovereignty in US Cooperation
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Afternoon, Canada's top diplomat will deliver her address to United Nations General Assembly. Well, Canada has been the focus of president Trump's ire as of late. He has praised his relationship with Mexico and its new president when it comes to immigration and drug enforcement. I spoke with Mexico's foreign minister just before his UN address on Friday. How do you assess the the state of The US Mexico relationship right now?
下午好,加拿大最高外交官将向联合国大会发表讲话。嗯,近年来,加拿大一直是特朗普总统发怒的焦点。在移民和禁毒方面,他赞扬了自己与墨西哥及其新任总统的关系。我在周五墨西哥外长发表联合国演讲前与他进行了交谈。您如何评估当前美墨关系的状况?
Well, we have a relation, that has a lot of dialogue. We have a relation, with deep cooperation on many different areas, including security based, on what we view as core principles, like respect to our sovereignty and territorial integrity. But, taking all of that, I think it's, overall a good relation, a strong relation. No doubt you heard the president of The United States speaking here. He talked about Mexico as the epicenter of cartel violence.
嗯,我们之间有一种关系,充满了大量对话。我们在许多不同领域有着深厚的合作,包括基于我们认为的核心原则的安全领域,例如尊重我们的主权和领土完整。但综合来看,我认为总体而言这是一种良好且稳固的关系。毫无疑问,你听到了美国总统在此的讲话。他将墨西哥描述为贩毒集团暴力的中心。
He said it was unacceptable that The US could have a 2,000 mile border with a country that is, in his estimation, controlled by cartels. How do you respond to that? Well, what I can tell you is that in the past two years, the homicide rate in Mexico has halved. There's a 51% reduction in homicides in Mexico. Most crimes are also in a downward trajectory. There's a lot of progress given the new government security strategy that includes a new focus on intelligence and investigations.
他表示,美国与一个被他认为是由贩毒集团控制的国家拥有长达2000英里的边境,这是不可接受的。您对此作何回应?嗯,我可以告诉你的是,在过去两年中,墨西哥的凶杀率减半。墨西哥的凶杀案减少了51%。大多数犯罪也呈下降趋势。鉴于新的政府安全战略,其中包括对情报和调查的重点关注,已经取得了很大进展。
There's also, as I said, cooperation with The United States based on these, four principles that, we also, include, what we call cooperation without subordination. Is there, total alignment with The US when it comes to its approach to violence in in the region, or do you do you differ with The US in some way? No. I think, The US has a different approach with other countries. We have our own approach to cooperation. As I said, these principles for us are fundamental.
此外,正如我所说的,我们与美国的合作是基于这四项原则的,我们也包括了所谓“不附庸的合作”。在应对该地区暴力问题上,是否与美国的立场完全一致,或者您在某些方面与美国存在分歧?没有。我认为,美国对其他国家的做法有所不同。我们有自己的合作方式。正如我所说的,这些原则对我们来说是根本性的。
They are in our constitution. We have to respect our legal framework. But, with that, considered, I think we have, good work. We have good progress, and we've had good achievements. I mean, if you look at, for example, the numbers at the border, there's a 60% reduction in the fentanyl that is reaching the border. The White House has recognized that. There's also a historic reduction in the, figures of, irregular migration that we've seen in the border in the past, couple years.
它们写入了我们的宪法。我们必须尊重我们的法律框架。但在考虑到这一点后,我认为我们做得不错。我们取得了良好的进展,并取得了不错的成就。我的意思是,如果你看看边境的数字,到达边境的芬太尼数量减少了60%。白宫已经承认了这一点。此外,在过去几年中,我们在边境看到的非法移民人数也出现了历史性下降。
So, I think we are, in a different situation from where we were before. Before. We've seen other countries enter into joint military operations with The US. Seems that's a red line for for you. Is that something that you wouldn't consider? Well, for Mexico, as I said, there has to be respect for our territorial integrity, for our sovereignty, and that entails that, operations in Mexico only correspond to Mexican authorities.
所以,我认为我们目前的情况与之前不同。在此之前,我们看到其他国家与美国进行了联合军事行动。这似乎对你们来说是一条红线。这是你们不会考虑的事情吗?嗯,正如我所说的,对于墨西哥而言,必须尊重我们的领土完整和主权,这意味着在墨西哥境内的行动只能由墨西哥当局负责。
We've seen the deportation of more than 200,000 Mexicans, during the start of the this the president's second term. What's the impact of that been on your country having that influx of of Mexicans returning to Mexico? A a strategy to receive our citizens when they are returned from The United States. It's called Mexico Tia Braca, and we provide access access to social programs. We provide, basic resources so they can, reintegrate to Mexico, and they can get jobs.
在本届总统任期的初期,已有超过20万名墨西哥人被驱逐出境。大量墨西哥人返回墨西哥,这对贵国产生了什么影响?我们制定了一项策略来接收被美国遣返的公民。该计划名为“墨西哥桥梁”(Mexico Tia Braca),我们为这些人提供社会项目的接入渠道,并提供基本资源,以便他们重新融入墨西哥社会并找到工作。
They can get access to health care. And, so far, I think, we've been successful in receiving, our Mexican fellows, you know, as what they are part of our country. There's a Mexican fellows, as you put it. There are also these third country deportations as well, thousands of people not from Mexico being sent sent there. I'm curious. Do you welcome that, these third country deportations? Well, there is a number of people that are rejected, at the border, in The United States and, out of humanitarian grounds.
他们可以获得医疗服务。到目前为止,我认为我们在接纳同胞方面取得了成功,你知道的,我们将他们视为我国的一部分。正如你所说,有墨西哥同胞。此外,还有针对第三国国民的驱逐行动,数千名非墨西哥籍人士被遣送回国。我很好奇,你是否欢迎这些针对第三国国民的驱逐行动?嗯,确实有一些人在美国边境被拒之门外,出于人道主义原因,
We have, received some of, these individuals, and, we provide them with an opportunity to return to their countries of origin or in cases where they require protection in Mexico, we offer them pathways as well. Give us an update on trade negotiations. We had Jameson Greer, The US trade representative here at the Council on Foreign Relations saying the trade deficit is exploding, in his words. How how close are those negotiations as you see them?
我们接收了部分此类人员,并为他们提供了返回原籍国的机会;在某些情况下,如果他们在墨西哥需要保护,我们也为他们提供了相应的途径。请向我们更新一下贸易谈判的最新进展。詹姆斯·格里尔(Jameson Greer)作为美国贸易代表曾在外交关系委员会表示,用他的话说,贸易逆差正在急剧扩大。在你看来,那些谈判进展如何?
Well, I'm always cautiously optimistic. We continue to have constructive conversations. We continue to have positive engagements. We don't have yet an agreement. Obviously, we're talking about the, different two thirty two tariffs that have been implemented, particularly, the car industry and the steel, sector, out of, worry for Mexico. We continue to talk about what The US describes as, non tariff barriers. I think we've made a lot of progress, and, hopefully, we will get to an agreement in the not so distant future.
嗯,我总是持谨慎乐观的态度。我们继续进行建设性的对话,保持积极的互动。目前我们尚未达成协议。显然,我们正在讨论已实施的不同的32条款关税,特别是针对汽车行业和钢铁部门,这引发了墨西哥方面的担忧。我们继续就美国所称的非关税壁垒问题进行讨论。我认为我们已经取得了很大进展,希望在不远的将来能够达成协议。
Likely to see reductions on steel and car tariffs, do you think? Well, that's our hope. Optimistic still? Again, cautiously. Cautiously optimistic. You studied at the University of Chicago. Yes. There was political theory with Martha Nussbaum and the like. Also spent a lot of time with David Axelrod. So you understand US politics. Given that, I'm curious how you think about the timeline The US is operating under right now, the administration's operating under with the midterm elections here many weeks away.
您认为钢铁和汽车关税可能会下调吗?嗯,那是我们的希望。依然乐观吗?再次说,谨慎地。谨慎乐观。您曾在芝加哥大学学习。是的。学习了政治理论,比如与玛莎·努斯鲍姆等人一起。也花了很多时间与大卫·阿克塞尔罗德在一起。所以您了解美国政治。鉴于此,我很好奇您如何看待美国目前所处的时间线,即政府正在运作的时间线,中期选举还有数周才举行。
Do do you see that as a forcing mechanism or something that's shaping conversations about trade in particular? Well, you know, we try to be very careful about not getting ourselves entangled with US politics. What I can tell you is that we're obviously watching the the elections like everybody else everybody else and that we will continue to engage with The US before and after because that is responsibility of any government that shares such a big border, that shares so many interest including the trade that you just mentioned.
您是否将其视为一种推动机制,或者某种特别塑造贸易对话的因素?嗯,您知道,我们非常小心,避免让自己卷入美国政治。我能告诉您的是,我们显然像其他人一样关注选举,并且我们将继续在美国大选前后与之互动,因为这是任何共享如此巨大边境、分享许多利益(包括您刚才提到的贸易)的政府的责任。
USMCA not renewed with a rubber stamp. These negotiations are are ongoing. What would it mean for North America were there to be a deal, say, between Mexico and The United States, but not one with with Canada, not one between The US and and Canada? Well, I mean, the the framework of the USMCA continues to be trilateral. There are some aspects that will need to be discussed trilaterally. But, of course, there are issues that are bilateral.
《美墨加协定》(USMCA)没有以橡皮图章方式续签。这些谈判正在进行中。如果墨西哥和美国达成协议,但没有与加拿大的协议,或者美国和加拿大之间没有协议,这对北美意味着什么?嗯,我的意思是,《美墨加协定》的框架仍然是三边的。有些方面需要三方讨论。但当然,也存在双边问题。
There have always been aspects of the, USMCA, previously, the NAFTA, that were bilateral in their nature. And, it's natural for, the countries have also bilateral engagement and to, reach some agreements in that manner. Few questions about Asia, if I could. You've been shuttling around New York, but you also went back to Mexico. There was a state visit by, South Korea's leadership. How do you assess the prospects of a a Mexico South Korea trade deal?
《美墨加协定》(USMCA),以及此前的《北美自由贸易协定》(NAFTA),一直有一些本质上是双边的方面。因此,各国进行双边接触并以这种方式达成一些协议是很自然的。如果可以的话,问几个关于亚洲的问题。您一直在纽约穿梭,但您也回到了墨西哥。韩国领导层进行了国事访问。您如何评估墨西哥-韩国贸易协定的前景?
Well, I don't think, we will get, to a free trade agreement. We're looking more at, different agreements, that show the complementarities, between the economists. Of course, the conversations will continue to see, where we end. But, in the meantime, what we are deepening is our cooperation in several different areas, including science and technology, artificial intelligence, obviously, the different investments of the Korean companies that are, in Mexico, Mexico, including also Korean culture, k pop, that is of great interest.
嗯,我认为我们不会达成自由贸易协定。我们更多地着眼于展示两国经济学家互补性的不同协议。当然,对话将继续进行,看看我们会走到哪一步。但与此同时,我们正在加深在几个不同领域的合作,包括科学和技术、人工智能,显然是韩国公司在墨西哥的投资,包括韩国文化,K-pop,这引起了极大的兴趣。
You're telling a lot people in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. World. It's Mexico. Largest market for k pop. So we're exploring the the opening of K pop or case culture center in Mexico City and the opening of a Mexican culture center in South Korea. How about that? It's gonna be interesting. Our focus here so much this week is on The US China relationship, and I'm curious how Mexico's tack toward China has has changed under this this administration.
你在告诉墨西哥的许多人。是的,是的。全世界。是墨西哥。K-pop的最大市场。因此,我们正在探索在墨西哥城开设K-pop或案例文化中心,并在韩国开设一个墨西哥文化中心。怎么样?这将很有趣。我们本周的重点是美国与中国的关系,我很好奇在这个政府任期内,墨西哥对中国的态度发生了怎样的变化。
Well, obviously, we have had throughout the decades a friendly political relation with China. We intend to keep it that way. We have an ongoing dialogue with the Chinese government. We also have obviously an interest as the rest of the world in looking at the relation between The US and China going in a positive direction. So we expect these conversati
嗯,显然,几十年来我们与中国的政治关系一直很友好。我们希望保持这种状态。我们与中国政府保持着持续的对话。我们也像世界其他国家一样,关注美中关系朝着积极方向发展。因此,我们期待这些对话……
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