扎克伯格黄仁勋与行业领袖在AI监管上分歧

I think of it as the hottest piece. Well, that's exactly right. And all the heat and light and everything for good and bad, I guess. Right? I mean, you're in the middle of this storm right now, in the last 24 hours, has been while you think of all of these legislative priorities that have suddenly emerged in the hopes to get something done before the midterms. But they're about to leave town. And that's a tall order.

I'm just wondering what your thought is today on the direction of this conversation, because it's getting more complicated as Zuckerman drops his opinion. Jensen Wong weighs in. Now, who are we supposed to be listening to? It's really hard to decide, and a lot of people are choosing, just like with other areas of politics, who they want to listen to. You know, we do see a lot of the, you know, revert to the mean. And, you know, if you think about how President Trump has approached this, he has been vehemently opposed to regulation, just as a rule of thumb, through his administration in his first term in office as well.

And that is applying certainly here in this case. But what we're seeing this time around, also, Joe, is this proximity that he has to the tech industry. You mentioned Jensen Wong. Um, there was that phone call, uh, between the president and Jensen Wong on the stage of the Olin conference on Monday. That's right. Jensen puts it on speakerphone. They are really in alignment there. And also, uh, the president's former, uh, top AI advisor, David Sacks, also really influencing a lot of the conversation within the administration and reinforcing this theme that, look, we can't put guardrails on this technology now.

Yeah, it's too important to the US economy. The data center build is something the president has talked about. And it's even more important to the competition with China to dominate AI. And of course, Joe, with the meeting with XI Jinping coming up. You know, the president really has to be thinking, look, I can't have any, uh, obstacles in my way. Uh, heading into that chat. I there is a data center bill that's actually getting a vote today.

Uh, which is something that we're watching that would compel tech companies to cover utility costs. But it's the AI stuff I want to focus on. And another kill switch. Bill. I don't know why we need more than one, but John Kennedy is up with his own. The Republican from Louisiana would require AI companies, as I read this, to maintain the ability to shut down their own systems. Is this is this real? Is. Is that possible to have a kill switch?

How would it work? Uh, it's unclear exactly how it would work. And I would love to hear Silicon Valley. Yeah. Save you on, you know, whether they just have, like, some giant thing on would you would snap down like a circuit breaker, um, or a big red button would push. Uh, that was easy, but I, I really, you know, setting aside the practicalities of how it will work, we just simply have to be realistic. When we look at the calendar, the house leaves.

Yeah. Morrow. Yeah. Uh, they don't come back until after the election. Mike Johnson has ruled out the idea of doing a special session to address AI. Uh, and then after the election, Joe, they're going to have to deal with the, uh, defense bill. That could be a vehicle for perhaps adding some of these AI measures as attachments. But we all know how that goes. It gets very messy. Um, I think we're in the stage right now where there's a lot of spaghetti being thrown at the wall and largely in response to this groundswell of safety concerns.

When you think about it, Joe, the data center bill and addressing the broader economic dislocation questions that are prompted by I. That's much tougher. That is really a lot harder to kind of get your heads around it. It requires some real spending. But then when you talk about safety, that's a little bit easier just to kind of order that you must do this or you must not do that. And yet even those measures are going to be difficult to get through because there is little consensus right now.

We're also looking, Joe, at an administration that is not interested in having the conversation or in passing anyway. I think about my conversation with Howard Lutton two weeks ago at the I Innovation Summit, G-20 in North Carolina. Data centers do not use water. He said, trust Sam Altman and Jensen Huang, trust Dario. He also told us that anthropic had righted its relationship with the government. And it doesn't sound like Donald Trump believes all of that.

You start wondering if there's a split within the administration and how broad that is between commerce, treasury and the president himself. Well, it's unclear who's actually leading a policy overall. And in the end, it does come down to the president himself. And during your interview with Howard. Nick. And if our audience hasn't caught it, it's definitely worth a view and a listen. He did say that the president himself was involved in conversations and helping anthropic to use, uh, the secretary's words get religion.

Now, it does seem like they may not be on site anymore after this, uh, missive over the weekend from Daru. Uh, clearly, the president who namechecked Ahmed in one of his many Truth social posts on Monday, um, is not happy. And we do know we had a scoop, uh, overnight from our colleague Maggie Eastland and Shirin Ghaffari that, uh, LUT Nick and Emile Michael from the Pentagon was led previous discussions with anthropic and, um, had had a conversation with the top anthropic officials.

So, uh, we'll want to see where this goes. And, uh, and this is a company that wants to go public this year. Yeah. Wow. You better not go home, chef. We reason to talk about Leslie Forrest.