美邮务局内部举报人指新选票系统未充分测试存风险
Whistleblower's attorney details concerns over USPS mail-in ballot system
, HEADQUARTERS OF PBS NEWS. GEOFF: LAST NIGHT WE REPORTED ON ALLEGATIONS FROM A WHISTLEBLOWER INSIDE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE, WHO SAYS THE AGENCY IS RUSHING TO IMPLEMENT A NEW SYSTEM FOR HANDLING ELECTION MAIL THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY TESTED AND COULD PUT MAIL-IN BALLOTS AT RISK. TONIGHT, WE'RE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE ALLEGATIONS, THE EVIDENCE BEHIND THEM, AND WHAT RECOURSE THERE MAY BE. THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS REMAINING ANONYMOUS, BUT IS REPRESENTED BY THE ORGANIZATION WHISTLEBLOWER JOINING US NOW IS DAVID KLIGERMAN, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR WHISTLEBLOWER AID.
PBS新闻总部。杰夫：昨晚我们报道了来自美国邮政服务内部一名举报人的指控，该举报人称，该机构正急于实施一套新的选举邮件处理系统，该系统未经过充分测试，可能使邮寄选票面临风险。今晚，我们将更仔细地审视这些指控、其背后的证据，以及可能采取的补救措施。举报人保持匿名，但由一个组织代表。现在加入我们的是大卫·克利格曼，他是“举报人援助”组织的高级副总裁兼特别顾问。
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WITHOUT REVEALING DETAILS ABOUT YOUR CLIENT, EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE CONFIDENT THIS PERSON WAS SENIOR ENOUGH OR CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE DECISION-MAKING TO KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING. DAVID: THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO DECISION-MAKING BECAUSE, THE INFORMATION THEY WERE WILLING TO PRESENT TO US, THIS INDIVIDUAL IS IN THE SYSTEM WITH ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO SEE ACROSS THE SYSTEM. WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT IF ONE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE POSTAL SERVICE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY CURIAL DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD VERIFY THE THINGS THAT WHISTLEBLOWER HAD BROUGHT FORWARD.
感谢您接受采访。在不透露您客户具体细节的情况下，请解释您为何确信此人职位足够高或接近决策层，从而了解正在发生的事情。大卫：此人与决策层足够接近，因为他愿意向我们提供的信息显示，他在系统中拥有足够的知识来纵观全局。我们有信心，如果联系美国邮政服务，他们能够识别出关键文件，以证实举报人所提出的情况。
GEOFF: WHAT WAS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE WHISTLEBLOWER DECIDED TO COME FORWARD? DAVID: IT'S INTERESTING. THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS WATCHING A SHOW ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE AND HAD BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE SEEING AT WORK, AND AS A RESULT REACHED OUT TO THE SHOW'S PRODUCERS AND THROUGH A NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS FINALLY FOUND THEIR WAY TO US. IT WAS QUITE FORTUNATE THEY DID, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS A CLEAR PATH TO FIND FOLKS TO HELP YOU DO THIS.
杰夫：举报人是经过怎样的过程决定站出来揭露真相的？大卫：这很有趣。此人一直在观看一档关于民主治理的节目，并对在工作中看到的情况感到担忧，因此联系了该节目的制作人，并通过多方牵线搭桥，最终找到了我们。这非常幸运，因为找到能够帮助你这样做的人并非总是条清晰的路径。
IT'S NOT EVERY DAY SOMEONE BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON A MAJOR GOVERNMENT SCANDAL. GEOFF: AT THE HEART IS THE CLAIM THE POSTAL SERVICE IS MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM FOR HANDLING ELECTION MAIL THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY TESTED. HOW COULD THIS TRANSLATE INTO BALLOTS BEING MISHANDLED OR NOT COUNTED? DAVID: TWO PROBLEMS. ONE IS INFORMATION AND ONE IS SYSTEMIC. THE LATTER IS THROUGH THIS RULE, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A SYSTEM THAT HAS A NUMBER OF CHECKS.
有人揭发重大政府丑闻并非每日都有发生的事。杰夫：核心问题在于，美国邮政服务声称正在推进这套新的选举邮件处理系统，且该系统未经过充分测试。这如何可能导致选票被不当处理或不被计入？大卫：存在两个问题。一个是信息问题，另一个是系统性问题。后者是通过这项规则，他们开发出了一套包含多项核查机制的系统。
AT EACH PART OF THE CHECK, THEY HAVE A 0% FAILURE REQUIREMENT. WHICH MEANS IF ANY ONE LITTLE MISTAKE IS MADE, EVEN IF THE I.T. IS WORKING PERFECTLY, IF YOU ENTER YOUR INFORMATION AND CHECK ONE LISTING AGAINST ANOTHER, YOU GO TO THE POST OFFICE AND THERE IS 10,000, EXAMPLES OF ONE MILLION -- YOU SCAN THE BALLOTS AND IF ANY ONE IS AN ERROR, THEY ALL GO BACK. AND THAT'S WITH AN I.T. SYSTEM WORKING PROPERLY. IMAGINE WHAT THE CONCERN WOULD BE WHEN YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM IS NOT BUILT AT ALL OR NOT BUILT WELL.
在检查的每一个环节，都要求零失败。这意味着哪怕出现一个微小的错误，即使信息技术（IT）系统运行完美，只要你在输入信息并将一个列表与另一个列表进行核对时出错，你就得去邮局处理。举例来说，在一百万份样本中有一万例——你扫描选票，如果其中任何一份存在错误，所有选票都会被退回。这是在信息技术系统正常运行的情况下尚且如此。试想一下，当你得知系统根本没有构建好，或者构建得很糟糕时，人们的担忧会有多深。
YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT SHOULD TAKE A YEAR OR TWO TO DEVELOP. IT WAS DONE IN EIGHT WEEKS, OR IF YOU BACKUP THE WEEKS WHEN THEY STOPPED WORK, FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS. IT IS COMPLICATED. A NUMBER OF SYSTEMS HAVE TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND THEY DID NOT BUILD OR TEST IT PROPERLY OR TESTED AS A UNIT. WHEN THEY DO TEST IT, IT FAILS. THIS INDIVIDUAL IS RIGHTLY CONCERNED, AS ARE A NUMBER OF AMERICANS. GEOFF: YO
这是一个本应花费一到两年时间开发的系统，却只用了八周时间完成；如果扣除他们停工的周数，实际工作时间只有四到五周。这很复杂。多个系统需要相互通信，但他们没有正确地进行构建或测试，也没有作为整体单元进行测试。当他们进行测试时，系统就会失败。这位人士感到担忧是合理的，许多美国人也是如此。杰夫：哟
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