美能源部长:委内瑞拉产量已增25%,拟开发650亿桶储量
US’s Wright on Venezuela Oil Production, SPR, Strait of Hormuz
涉及全球最大未开发储量之一的实质性开发进展及地缘政治对油价的潜在影响,需关注其对原油供需格局的重塑。
Secretary Wright, it's nice to see you here. On the heels of the US government announcing this massive partnership to potentially develop up to 65 billion barrels of oil just to get a lay of the land. How quickly can you start production on those 17 fields? And more broadly speaking, how quickly will we see Venezuelan production output really ramp up? It was several of those fields. Tyler already in active development today.
赖特部长,很高兴在这里见到您。在美国政府宣布这项可能开发多达650亿桶石油的巨大合作以摸清情况之后,您能多快开始那17个油田的生产?更广泛地说,我们多久能看到委内瑞拉的产量真正大幅上升?其中几个油田,泰勒已经开始了活跃的开发。
The bet produces around 200,000 barrels of oil a day. They're the second largest private producer in Venezuela. So there's scale already in several of those fields. A number of them haven't seen any meaningful development yet. Some of them were at Russian partnerships or Chinese partnerships or frankly, criminal partnerships. So this is to bring these fields into real commercial development. But the speed of things, I mean, so far we have gone at Trump speed in Venezuela.
该协议每天产生约20万桶石油。他们是委内瑞拉第二大私营生产商。因此,在这些油田中已经具备了一定的规模。其中一些油田尚未进行任何有意义的开发。有些之前是与俄罗斯或中国的合作伙伴关系,坦率地说,甚至是与犯罪集团的伙伴关系。因此,这是为了将这些油田带入真正的商业开发。但事情的速度,我的意思是,到目前为止,我们在委内瑞拉的行动速度是“特朗普速度”。
Country production is up 25%. Exports are up 50%. We think even from production today already elevated, that could double by the end of this decade. 65 billion barrels is a massive number. It's my understanding that North American blue energy partners can't develop this all on their own. Are you actively working or in talks to bring in other operators for these 17 fields? Oh, I'm sure that will happen. But of course the deal was just signed on Friday, so this is brand new.
国家产量增长了25%。出口增长了50%。我们认为,即使从目前已经提升的产量来看,到本世纪末也可能翻倍。650亿桶是一个巨大的数字。据我了解,北美蓝色能源合作伙伴无法独自开发所有这些资源。你们是否正在积极工作或洽谈引入其他运营商来开发这17个油田?哦,我相信这会发生。当然,协议刚刚在周五签署,所以这是全新的。
But yes, that reserve base is so large. Clearly additional partnerships will be formed to develop those resources when it comes to these specific fields. China. China is still owed billions of dollars from the Venezuelan government. Are there any assurances that the barrels from these fields aren't going to be used to pay back Chinese debt? Now, look, Venezuela has got a lot of historical debt, and one of the major efforts going on right now is to do with debt restructuring, to get things in order.
但是的,这个储量基础如此庞大。显然,当涉及到这些特定油田时,将形成额外的合作伙伴关系来开发这些资源。中国。中国政府仍欠中国数十亿美元。是否有任何保证,这些油田的石油不会被用于偿还中国的债务?现在,委内瑞拉有很多历史债务,目前正在进行的重大努力之一是债务重组,以使事情有序化。
Who are the real creditors? What it is an arrangement going to go to move forward? But no, these these fields will be developed for the benefit of the Venezuelan people, for the benefit of Americans and for the benefit of global energy markets. President Trump's agenda is drive down energy prices of all kinds across our economy and across the world. But just for clarity. China won't have any claims of production or revenue related to this deal that the U.S. government struck.
谁是真正的债权人?将达成什么安排以推动前进?但不,这些油田的开发是为了委内瑞拉人民的利益、美国人的利益以及全球能源市场的利益。特朗普总统的议程是推动降低我们经济和全球范围内各种能源的价格。但为了澄清起见,中国政府与美国政府达成的这笔交易中,中国不会拥有对生产或收入的任何索赔权。
No. No, they will not. Broadly speaking, people familiar with the matter had told Bloomberg News that Venezuela is considering actually leaving OPEC. Have you had any of those discussions with the Venezuelan government, including when it comes to talks around this deal? I have not discussed OPEC with the leaders of Venezuela. Do you think that they should leave? Uh, that's a dialogue for the sovereign state of Venezuela.
不,不,他们不会。据知情人士向彭博新闻社透露,委内瑞拉正在考虑实际上退出欧佩克。您是否与委内瑞拉政府就此事进行过讨论,包括围绕这项协议的谈判?我没有与委内瑞拉领导人讨论过欧佩克的问题。你认为他们应该退出吗?嗯,这是委内瑞拉这个主权国家自己的对话。
That's a decision for them to make. But I think part of this question is that wouldn't it be difficult for the US government to take all of this oil as part of the deal, if Venezuela is subject to OPEC quotas? I know at the moment they're not. But if we're talking about ramping up so much production in this country, wouldn't they be down the line? Again, that's that's a separate issue. But also to be clear, we're not taking any oil here.
这是他们自己做出的决定。但我认为这个问题的一个方面是,如果委内瑞拉受到欧佩克配额的限制,美国政府是否难以将所有的石油作为交易的一部分接收?我知道目前他们没有受到限制。但如果我们谈论的是在这个国家大幅增加产量,他们最终会不会受到影响?再说一次,这是一个单独的问题。但也要明确一点,我们这里并没有接收任何石油。
This is a deal between a commercial enterprise that's operating in Venezuela today. We're just coming in as a partner, a passive partner in that role, but with very active controls to make sure the highest business practices are followed and to work with them to bring more capital so we can accelerate the development of these reserves. Venezuela today has about 17% of global oil reserves and just over 1% of global production.
这是一项在委内瑞拉运营的商业银行企业之间的协议。我们只是以合作伙伴的身份介入,在该角色中是一个被动合作伙伴,但拥有非常积极的控制权,以确保遵循最高的商业惯例,并与他们合作引入更多资本,从而加速这些储量的开发。委内瑞拉目前拥有全球约17%的石油储量,以及略高于1%的全球产量。
That's the problem of the last 25 years, but it's the opportunity for tomorrow. Well, to this point, we've often heard from the administration about this three phased approach when it comes to Venezuela. That includes stability, economic viability and then a democratic transition. Can you just talk to me about how you are viewing this part of the picture, how this helps to get to Venezuela, to that process of economic viability before we could see duly elected officials in in this country in terms of a democratic process?
这是过去25年的问题,但也是明天的机遇。到目前为止,我们经常听到政府关于委内瑞拉采取的三阶段方法。这包括稳定、经济可行性和民主过渡。你能跟我谈谈你是如何看待这一部分的,以及如何帮助委内瑞拉实现经济可行性,然后我们才能在这个国家通过民主程序看到正式选举产生的官员?
Absolutely. Stability is key. You can see in the streets behind us here in Caracas, we have peace and stability in Venezuela. We need to make sure it stays that way. But to get economic growth, you have to have an investment climate that American companies and companies from around the world will come invest in this country. A U.S. presence now, an economic ownership interest in Venezuela, I think, will help grow that confidence and bring even more capital.
当然。稳定是关键。你可以看到在我们身后的加拉加斯街头,委内瑞拉实现了和平与稳定。我们需要确保它保持这种状态。但要实现经济增长,你必须有一个投资环境,让美国公司和来自世界各地的公司愿意来这个国家投资。现在美国的参与,以及在委内瑞拉的经济所有权利益,我认为这将有助于增强信心并带来更多资本。
But today, the deal signed with Chevron with E and I, the Italian multinational giant, and GE Ivanova, these are all many billions of dollars of investment to grow their businesses in Venezuela. We expect many more such deals to come. Is continued U.S. investment or participation in this oil agreement, conditional on any progress towards those Democratic talks. I know that talks are currently underway, though. The the economic deals are separate than the political thing, but they're all part of the same hole.
但今天,我们与埃克森美孚(Chevron)、意大利跨国巨头E和I以及GE Ivanova签署的交易,这些都是数十亿美元的投资,旨在扩大它们在委内瑞拉的业务。我们预计还会有更多此类交易出现。美国是否继续投资或参与这项石油协议,是否取决于民主谈判取得任何进展?我知道目前正在进行谈判。经济协议与政治事务是分开的,但它们都是同一个困境的一部分。
President Trump's sort of global agenda is to replace conflict with commerce all around the world. Um, and boy, I think we're off to an absolute swimming start in Venezuela. I'll tell you, the Venezuelan people are behind us. 25 years of communist corruption, poverty, 8 million people fleeing the country. Now we're going to show the prospect of economic growth, of new jobs, bring inflation down and bring our countries together and the growth in production in Venezuela.
特朗普总统的全球议程大致是用商业取代全球各地的冲突。嗯,我认为我们在委内瑞拉取得了绝对的开门红。我告诉你,委内瑞拉人民支持我们。25年的共产主义腐败、贫困,800万人逃离该国。现在我们将展示经济增长的前景、创造新的就业机会、降低通货膨胀率,并将我们的国家团结在一起,促进委内瑞拉的生产增长。
Simply tremendous for America. Our refineries were built based on Venezuelan oil. Now is that crude production grows in quantity. That it's a win for Venezuela. It's a massive win for energy buyers in the United States. Whether you're buying, whether you're buying gasoline or diesel or flying out of vacation or heating your home, I think I know the answer to this. Just last question on this. Just to put a finer point on it.
这对美国来说简直太棒了。我们的炼油厂是基于委内瑞拉石油建造的。现在原油产量在数量上增长。这对委内瑞拉是一次胜利。对美国能源买家来说也是一次巨大的胜利。无论你是购买汽油或柴油,还是度假飞行或为家庭供暖,我想我知道答案。最后一个问题,只是为了更精确地说明这一点。
Would the U.S. suspend any investment or oil purchases if the current political talks end up failing? These are ways to make sure the political talks go forward. Things are progressing quite well on the political front. We've had reconciliation meetings with the previous leader of the of the Venezuelan Assembly from 11 years ago is meeting with the current assembly leader. We've seen the release of over 100 political prisoners additional from the early releases.
如果当前的政治谈判最终失败,美国是否会暂停任何投资或石油采购?这些是确保政治谈判向前推进的方式。政治方面的进展相当顺利。我们已经举行了和解会议,11年前委内瑞拉议会的前领导人正在与现任议会领导人会面。我们看到除了早期释放外,还有超过100名政治犯获释。
The political talks are going well As well as the economic talks. Another question on how this deal is coming together in terms of helping to refill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Can you just take me through how that's going to work? Are we looking at swapping this crude to get it into the SPR? Yeah. As you grow production and lower the price of oil, that enables everything to be better. But absolutely, you know that the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, it's unlikely that we would put Venezuelan crude into our strategic petroleum reserve.
政治谈判进展顺利,经济谈判也是如此。另一个问题是,这项协议在帮助补充战略石油储备方面是如何运作的?你能带我了解一下它是如何运作的吗?我们是否考虑通过交换这种原油将其存入战略石油储备?是的。随着产量增加和油价下降,一切都会变得更好。但毫无疑问,你知道美国的战略石油储备不太可能将委内瑞拉原油纳入其中。
But it's the largest market in the world. Oil, as we did with the conflict in Iran right now. We swapped barrels in time. We released a barrel at the peak of this crisis for a promise at 1.25 barrels later in time. You can also swap grades of crude. We can swap Venezuelan crude for American light and made great crudes. So yeah, great flexibility there. A big part of the conversation about bolstering supplies in the Western Hemisphere has to do with the fact that we're seeing disruptions when it comes to the Middle East.
但它是全球最大的市场。石油,就像我们现在处理伊朗冲突一样。我们进行了时间上的互换。我们在危机高峰期释放了一桶油,以换取未来1.25桶的承诺。你也可以进行原油品级的互换。我们可以用委内瑞拉的原油交换美国的轻质优质原油。所以是的,那里有很大的灵活性。关于加强西半球供应的讨论中,很大一部分原因是我们看到中东地区出现了中断。
And your counterpart at Treasury Secretary, Scott Benson, said yesterday that he thinks that the Strait of Hormuz will be, quote, worthless in two years as oil finds these other bypass pipelines and routes. Do you agree with that assessment? Yeah. As infrastructure is built, you just get more and more ways for those barrels to reach the marketplace. Iran has played thi
你的财政部 counterparts,斯科特·本森(Scott Benson),昨天表示他认为霍尔木兹海峡将在两年内变得‘毫无价值’,因为石油正在寻找其他替代管道和路线。你同意这一评估吗?是的。随着基础设施的建设,这些原油到达市场的方式将越来越多。伊朗已经发挥了这
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