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Nvidia 6B 买 Poolside 模型工厂,种子轮 15x 不够

20VC x SaaStr: Nvidia Pays $6B for Poolside’s Model Factory, OpenAI Has to Go Public in 2027, and Why $9B No Longer Clears the Bar for Seed

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Harry Stebbings, Rory O’Driscoll and I went through Nvidia’s ecosystem spending spree, OpenAI’s move from number one to number two, and what happens to CFO budgets when your best people are addicted to tokens.

哈里·斯特宾斯、罗里·奥德里斯科尔和我一起探讨了英伟达的生态系统消费狂潮、OpenAI从第一跌至第二的变动,以及当你最优秀的人才沉迷于代币时,CFO的预算会发生什么变化。

#1. Nvidia paid $6B for Poolside’s Model Factory, and the trigger was a $2B round that didn’t close

#1. 英伟达以60亿美元收购Poolside的Model Factory,触发因素是一轮未完成的20亿美元融资

Nvidia is paying $6B for a non-exclusive license to Poolside’s Model Factory, the internal system Poolside used to build its models, and separately investing $1B at a $12B pre-money valuation. 109 engineers got offers to join Nvidia’s open-weight Nemotron effort. The three founders are staying. The investor letter says explicitly that this is not an acquisition and not an acquihire.

英伟达支付60亿美元获得Poolside Model Factory的非独家许可,这是Poolside用于构建其模型的内部系统,并另外以120亿美元投前估值投资10亿美元。109名工程师收到了加入英伟达开源权重Nemotron项目的邀请。三位创始人留任。投资者信函明确表示,这不是收购,也不是人才收购。

Poolside had a six-week window to raise $2B to pay for a 40,000 GB300 cluster coming online in January. They didn’t close it in time, and they lost the cluster.

Poolside曾有一个六周的时间窗口来筹集20亿美元,以支付1月份上线的40,000个GB300集群。他们未能及时完成融资,因此失去了该集群。

My read: it read almost depressing. Not being critical, but it showed that infinite capitalism is not as infinite as it looks. Even in the age of AI, and even with Nvidia seemingly funding everyone on planet Earth, the VC gravy train only runs so long. There’s only so much money coming out of big funds.

我的看法:这封信读起来几乎令人沮丧。并非批评,但它表明无限资本主义并不像看起来那么无限。即使在AI时代,即使英伟达似乎资助了地球上的每个人,风险投资的盛宴也只能持续这么久。大型基金能提供的资金是有限的。

Rory’s read: it was an excellent letter, and one line does the work. They said they had found themselves on the right side of prediction in a market that scaled exponentially in capital intensity. Translated: we were right three years ago that there was a market for a US open-weight model, we built it, and the capital required for the next turn of the crank is beyond us.

罗里的看法:这是一封出色的信,其中一句话点明了关键。他们说,在一个资本密集度呈指数级增长的市场中,他们站在了预测正确的一边。翻译过来就是:三年前我们正确判断了美国开源权重模型存在市场,我们构建了它,但下一轮扩张所需的资本超出了我们的能力范围。

Harry’s read: neo labs are out of favor, and this is universal across every investor he talks to. Nobody was surprised Poolside found it hard to raise.

哈里的看法:新实验室不再受青睐,这在他交谈过的每一位投资者中都是普遍现象。没有人对Poolside融资困难感到意外。

#2. A $9B outcome sometimes doesn’t clear the bar for seed investing in 2026. Welcome to the AI Era

#2. 90亿美元的结果有时在2026年达不到种子投资的门槛。欢迎来到AI时代

Harry, a Poolside shareholder, said the outcome is roughly a 15x for them as a seed investor and that it’s pretty great. That’s where I pushed.

哈里作为Poolside的股东表示,作为种子投资者,这一结果大约是15倍回报,相当不错。这就是我提出质疑的地方。

My read: 15x sounds good for a late-stage investor. For a true seed fund it isn’t enough. You don’t get a fund return out of a 15x. If you’re deploying a seed fund at today’s entry prices, you need your best deals doing 50x for the math to work, unless you’re running a hyper-concentrated book.

我的看法:15倍对于后期投资者来说听起来不错。但对于真正的种子基金来说,这还不够。你无法从15倍回报中获得基金级别的收益。如果你以当前的入场价格部署种子基金,除非你运行的是高度集中的投资组合,否则你需要最好的交易达到50倍回报才能使数学成立。

Rory’s math on the dilution: a 15x on a $9B outcome implies an effective entry of $600M, not $60M. The nominal seed price was much lower. The dilution across the capital-intensive rounds is what got you there. To hit 50x, that company needed to exit around $63B.

罗里关于稀释的计算:在90亿美元的结果下实现15倍回报意味着有效入场价为6亿美元,而非6000万美元。名义种子价格要低得多。资本密集型轮次中的稀释才是导致这一结果的原因。要达到50倍,该公司需要以约630亿美元退出。

Rory’s defense of the bet: it was rational at the time. The two closed-source frontier winners are worth a trillion each. The two or three open-weight winners in China are worth $50B to $100B each. The upside case supported a 100x. The thesis broke on capital markets, not on execution, and the team still returned 15x on a bet that didn’t work. If you get 15x on your failures in venture, you’ll die a rich man.

罗里为这次下注辩护:当时是理性的。两个闭源前沿赢家每个价值一万亿。中国的两三个开源权重赢家每个价值500亿到1000亿美元。上行空间支持100倍回报。论点在资本市场上破裂,而非执行上,团队仍然在一个未成功的赌注上获得了15倍回报。如果你在风投中失败时能获得15倍回报,你会富死。

#3. Only four or five companies on the planet can finance a frontier model

#3. 全球只有四五家公司能为前沿模型提供资金

Rory’s frame: the VC money ran out on Anthropic and OpenAI a long time ago. That’s why no VC owns more than 1% or 2% of either of them. The only entities capable of financing a state-of-the-art frontier model in the United States are the hyperscalers. OpenAI and Anthropic exist because Microsoft, Google and Amazon wrote checks nobody else on earth could write. Nvidia is now the fifth member of that club, which is why it’s the one financing the open-weight side. VCs have been along for the ride, providing occasional pricing discipline.

罗里的框架:风投资金早就从Anthropic和OpenAI撤出。这就是为什么没有风投持有这两家公司超过1%或2%的股份。在美国,唯一有能力资助最先进前沿模型的实体是超大规模云服务商。OpenAI和Anthropic之所以存在,是因为微软、谷歌和亚马逊开出了地球上没有其他人能开出的支票。英伟达现在是这个俱乐部的第五个成员,这就是为什么它资助开源权重一方。风投一直参与其中,偶尔提供定价纪律。

The negative implication for everyone else: the next-smartest team going for it just hit the capital wall. Everyone behind them hits the same wall.

对其他人来说的负面影响:下一个最聪明的团队刚刚撞上了资本墙。他们后面的每个人都会撞上同一堵墙。

#4. Nvidia’s plan is to spend the entire free cash flow on the ecosystem

#4. 英伟达的计划是将全部自由现金流投入生态系统

Nvidia is also in talks to back Mercor in a round at a $20B valuation led by General Catalyst, doubling the $10B mark from October. Harry, an investor, said Mercor is crossing $2.5B in run-rate revenue and that he never thought it would get this big this fast.

英伟达还在洽谈支持Mercor的一轮融资,估值200亿美元,由General Catalyst领投,是10月份100亿美元估值的两倍。投资人Harry表示,Mercor的年化收入正突破25亿美元,他从未想过它会这么快变得这么大。

Rory’s question: the other Nvidia bets are all TAM expansion. Fund a neocloud, they buy more chips. Fund Poolside, more open-weight inference runs on Nvidia. Fund Mercor, and you get more training data, which doesn’t obviously sell more chips.

罗里的问题:英伟达的其他投资都是TAM扩张。资助一家新云服务商,他们会买更多芯片。资助Poolside,更多开源权重推理在英伟达上运行。资助Mercor,你会得到更多训练数据,但这并不明显能卖出更多芯片。

My read: there’s no thesis here. They have something on the order of $70B of free cash flow this year, the strat team and top VPs get in a room, everyone brings their best ideas, and the budget gets allocated. Somebody in that room thinks data labeling matters, and his best idea was Mercor. Adding cash to the balance sheet does nothing for a CEO of a profitable company beyond defense. If Wall Street lets you spend it, spend it.

我的解读:这里没有论点。他们今年有大约700亿美元的自由现金流,策略团队和顶级副总裁们聚在一个房间里,每个人都带来他们最好的想法,预算就被分配了。那个房间里有人认为数据标注很重要,他最好的想法是Mercor。对于一家盈利公司的CEO来说,向资产负债表增加现金除了防御之外毫无作用。如果华尔街让你花,那就花吧。

Rory’s one caveat: four years ago Nvidia’s cash flow was a tenth of what it is today, and they only carry about $50B of cash and investments. There’s a version of him that would keep more for a rainy day. He agrees the highest-return use is buying ecosystem viability, especially when the OpenAI-style deals give you a customer, revenue and ecosystem insurance in one transaction.

罗里有一个告诫:四年前,英伟达的现金流只有现在的十分之一,而且他们只持有约500亿美元的现金和投资。他有一种想法,会为不时之需保留更多。他同意,最高回报的用途是购买生态系统的生存能力,尤其是当像OpenAI这样的交易能在一笔交易中同时带来客户、收入和生态系统保险时。

#5. Kroll’s data: gross margins above 30% no longer earn you anything at exit

#5. 克劳尔的数据:毛利率超过30%在退出时不再带来额外价值

Kroll published a look at M&A and large transactions over the last six months.

克劳尔发布了一份关于过去六个月并购和大型交易的分析。

My read of it: above 30% gross margin, you get no additional credit in M&A or other exits. There’s a penalty below 30. There is no premium above it. Value Mercor on classic multiples for 80% gross margins and growing, and $20B isn’t expensive.

我的解读是:毛利率超过30%时,在并购或其他退出方式中不会获得额外加分。低于30%会有惩罚,高于30%没有溢价。以经典倍数评估Mercor,其毛利率为80%且持续增长,200亿美元并不算贵。

Rory’s caution: don’t overfit on the sample of deals where negative gross margins resolved. Cursor started with negative gross margins, subsidized unlimited usage, had no way to defend it, capped it, built its own models, and got to a $60B outcome. He can also name plenty of deals that started with bad gross margins and ended with bad gross margins. The question is when it’s rational to underwrite massive improvement. His doubt on the training-data companies: Cursor had hundreds of thousands of customers to work margin against. The training companies have three to five.

罗里的谨慎意见:不要过度拟合那些负毛利率最终得到解决的交易样本。Cursor起初毛利率为负,补贴无限使用,无法防御,后来设限,自建模型,最终达到600亿美元的成果。他也能举出许多以糟糕毛利率开始、以糟糕毛利率结束的交易。问题在于何时为大规模改进承保是合理的。他对训练数据公司的疑虑是:Cursor有数十万客户可以调整毛利率,而训练公司只有三到五个。

#6. OpenAI’s reacceleration story is existential, not promotional

#6. OpenAI的重新加速故事关乎生存,而非宣传

OpenAI’s CFO Sarah Friar told employees the company will be public by 2027.

OpenAI的首席财务官莎拉·弗里尔告诉员工,公司将在2027年前上市。

Rory’s read on why the narrative shifted when it did: Q1 to Q2 was roughly $5B to $6B in GAAP revenue, about 18% quarter over quarter. That annualizes to just under 100% and would put them somewhere under $30B in GAAP revenue this year against about $12.5B last year. In isolation that’s a spectacular business. Against a competitor at a $60B run rate mid-year and growing faster, anyone can model it into irrelevance in two years.

罗里对叙事为何在此时转变的解读:第一季度到第二季度,GAAP收入大约从50亿美元增至60亿美元,环比增长约18%。年化后接近100%,这将使今年的GAAP收入低于300亿美元,而去年约为125亿美元。单独来看,这是一项惊人的业务。但面对一个年中运行率已达600亿美元且增长更快的竞争对手,任何人都能将其建模为两年内变得无关紧要。

Then there’s Broadcom, Nvidia and everyone else planning to sell $200B of chips to OpenAI. They run the same math and ask whether that demand is real. So sitting on the number for three months was never an option. A concerted “Q2 was an anomaly, Q3 is exploding” push was the only move available.

然后是博通、英伟达以及其他计划向OpenAI出售2000亿美元芯片的公司。他们进行同样的计算,并质疑这一需求是否真实。因此,坐等三个月的数据从来不是选项。一场协调一致的“第二季度是异常,第三季度将爆发”的推动是唯一可行的举措。

My read: I was stunned by the 18%. At almost any other company that number is a celebration. Relative to what everyone had priced in, it was a disappointment.

我的解读:我对18%的增长感到震惊。在几乎任何其他公司,这个数字都值得庆祝。但相对于所有人的预期,这是一个失望。

#7. Being number two is worse when there are seven candidates for number two

#7. 当有七个第二名候选者时,成为第二名更糟糕

My read: at the start of the year there were effectively two choices, and everyone wanted multi-model anyway, so you got a clean oligopoly bake-off. You hire a few Salesforce people, they put up a slide, it’s us versus them, and that motion sells. Today there are eleven or twelve competitors running inference on open weights with performance close enough to matter. It’s hyper-competitive for number two, and especially hard if you’re the premium product, because you can’t compete on price and you’re left with brand and security.

我的解读是:年初时实际上只有两个选择,而且反正大家都想要多模型,所以形成了一场清晰的寡头对决。你雇几个Salesforce的人,他们放一张幻灯片,上面写着“我们vs他们”,这种打法很能卖。如今有十一二家竞争对手在开放权重上运行推理,性能差距小到足以构成威胁。第二名位置的竞争异常激烈,尤其是如果你主打高端产品,那就更难了,因为你无法在价格上竞争,只能靠品牌和安全性来立足。

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