澳大利亚电动车普及或影响利率
The Surprising Link Between EVs and Interest Rates | The Bloomberg Australia Podcast
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Welcome to the Bloomberg Australia podcast. I'm Chris Berg coming to you from Melbourne.
欢迎收听彭博澳大利亚播客。我是克里斯·伯格,在墨尔本向您报道。
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The Iran war has sent fuel prices jumping again, and Australians are responding by changing what they drive with electrified vehicles now making up more than half of new car sales. But this is about more than what's sitting in our driveways. [music] This week we ask Bloomberg Sydney-based economist James McIntyre what Australia's EV revolution could mean for the economy and ultimately interest rates. James, welcome back to the podcast. [music]
伊朗战争再次推高了燃油价格,澳大利亚人正通过改变他们的出行方式来应对,电动汽车现在占新车销量的一半以上。但这不仅仅关乎我们车道上停着什么。[音乐] 本周我们请到了彭博驻悉尼的经济学家詹姆斯·麦金太尔,探讨澳大利亚的电动汽车革命可能对经济乃至最终利率产生的影响。詹姆斯,欢迎再次来到播客。[音乐]
Thanks for having me, Chris.
谢谢邀请,克里斯。
Uh so Tesla, BYD, uh Zeekr, the these names are becoming almost as familiar on Australian roads as Toyota and Mazda. Just how quickly have electric vehicles gone from niche to mainstream in Australia?
嗯,特斯拉、比亚迪、极氪,这些名字在澳大利亚的道路上几乎变得和丰田、马自达一样熟悉。电动汽车在澳大利亚从边缘走向主流的速度有多快?
Yeah, well, it's been really quite interesting. There's a few more names coming out there as well like Jaecoo and a whole proliferation of Chinese brands. And and and what's really happened here is we've seen especially over the course of the last 6 months or so, 2026 seems to have been a year where EV and battery EV vehicles in particular have really surged in Australia. We've seen this fuel price spike come into the Australian economy over the as a result of the Iran war since the big you know, since February.
是的,这确实非常有趣。还有一些新品牌也在涌现,比如Jaecoo,以及大量中国品牌的涌入。这里真正发生的是,特别是在过去大约6个月里,2026年似乎是电动汽车,尤其是纯电动汽车在澳大利亚真正激增的一年。我们看到,由于伊朗战争,自2月以来,燃油价格飙升进入了澳大利亚经济。
Uh energy prices uh fuel prices have skyrocketed, uh but what we've but what we've seen is we've seen the supply of EVs from China come in. And so consumers have have seen the sticker price at the petrol station and they've also seen the sticker price at the EV dealership and it's really resulted in this this rapid I guess shift that's that's happened as demand and supply have have all come together at the same time.
嗯,能源价格,燃油价格已经飙升,但我们看到的是来自中国的电动汽车供应涌入。因此,消费者既看到了加油站的标价,也看到了电动汽车经销商的标价,这确实导致了这种快速的转变,因为需求和供应同时汇聚在一起。
Have you made the plunge, James, or are you still polluting the the streets of Sydney every weekend.
詹姆斯,你决定行动了吗,还是每个周末还在悉尼街头污染环境?
No, we're actually thinking of of making the plunge. We're going to place an order an order soon, which is Yeah, which is which is quite interesting and going for going for a Chinese EV. So that's that's a big a big step and it's a step that's going to result in a shift in the in the way our household energy and transport expenditures are moving.
不,我们实际上正在考虑行动。我们很快就要下订单了,这确实很有趣,而且打算买一辆中国电动汽车。所以这是一个很大的步骤,这个步骤将导致我们家庭能源和交通支出方式发生变化。
You talked about fuel prices. If you're if you're filling up a relic of an internal combustion engine this week, you're you're paying I think around two bucks a liter. That's that's well above where prices were before the US attacks on on Iran. Is that shock at the Bowser the main reason Australians are suddenly buying so many EVs?
你提到了燃油价格。如果你这周还在给一辆内燃机老车加油,我想你每升要付大约两澳元。这远高于美国袭击伊朗之前的价格。加油站的价格冲击是澳大利亚人突然购买这么多电动汽车的主要原因吗?
Well, the shock at the Bowser is is is real. Now, we did get a couple of months there where the government's fuel excise discount helped cushion some of the blow and that sort of gave us a little bit of a while to all adjust and get ready for what's to what's been coming. And and now we're seeing as those excise reductions have moved away, we're seeing that petrol price continuing to remain quite elevated. But it's Yes, you're right.
嗯,鲍瑟那里的冲击确实是实实在在的。我们确实有几个月政府燃油消费税减免帮助缓解了一些冲击,这给了我们一点时间来调整和准备迎接即将到来的情况。现在随着这些消费税减免取消,我们看到汽油价格持续保持在高位。但没错,你说得对。
It's not the only reason. We've got a major surge of supply coming out of China of in terms of battery electric vehicles at a price that is vastly more competitive than many of the internal combustion engine offerings from some of the the traditional or more legacy auto suppliers into the Australian market and many markets around the world and consumers are responding to that shift.
这不是唯一的原因。中国涌入了大量纯电动汽车的供应,其价格比许多传统或老牌汽车供应商向澳大利亚市场及全球多个市场提供的内燃机车型要具有竞争力得多,消费者正在对这种转变做出反应。
So, I guess the big question is whether this is a lasting structural shift or just a knee-jerk reaction to the war. James, do you think we're looking at a genuine turning point for Australia's car industry here.
所以,我想关键问题是这是否是一个持久的结构性转变,还是对战争的应激反应。詹姆斯,你认为我们正在见证澳大利亚汽车行业的一个真正转折点吗?
Well, it does seem to be um a turning point for some of the auto makers who have who have exited the market, but the industry body does think that it is a permanent structural shift. And the reason for that structural shift is is the price. We've seen the efficiency of of the electric vehicle makers in terms of the the power outputs from batteries getting better range. Range is now there and price is now at a point where it is incredibly competitive.
嗯,对于某些已经退出市场的汽车制造商来说,这似乎确实是一个转折点,但行业机构确实认为这是一个永久性的结构性转变。这种结构性转变的原因是价格。我们看到电动汽车制造商在电池功率输出方面的效率提高了,续航里程更好了。续航里程现在已经达标,价格也达到了极具竞争力的水平。
And as a result, consumers are you know, seeing those bells that bells are shock price from the Iran war and and causing them to that's causing to take a look at the alternative and when they do see that alternative, they're seeing that that there is a a very very high quality offering available at a very economic price point for them not just when it comes to purchase, but when it comes to operating costs down the line.
因此,消费者看到伊朗战争带来的油价冲击,促使他们考虑替代选择,当他们看到那个替代选择时,他们发现不仅有非常高质量的产品,而且价格非常经济实惠,不仅购买时如此,后续的运营成本也很低。
So, you're an economist, obviously. These These changes in consumption trends are always of big interest to you and you've just done some big picture research on all this. There's something I'm really curious about. House prices are falling. We've had three interest rate hikes this year and yet Australians are splashing out on new cars with massage seats and some with built-in karaoke machines, I believe. Where's all the money coming from?
那么,你显然是个经济学家。消费趋势的这些变化总是让你很感兴趣,而且你刚刚对此做了一些宏观研究。有件事我很好奇。房价在下跌,今年我们已经经历了三次加息,但澳大利亚人却在挥霍购买带按摩座椅的新车,有些还内置卡拉OK机,我相信。这些钱都是从哪里来的?
Well, that's right. So, one thing and we've we've seen a lot of research done. Central banks do it all around the world and the RBA has done their own research on on the wealth effect and how that impacts and how consumers are feeling about their house prices and their overall wealth and looking at that their their pocketbook and their balance sheet and deciding whether they're going to take the plunge and splurge.
嗯,没错。所以,有一件事,我们看到了很多研究。世界各地的中央银行都在做,澳大利亚储备银行(RBA)也做了自己的研究,关于财富效应以及它如何影响消费者对房价和整体财富的感受,他们关注自己的钱包和资产负债表,然后决定是否要大胆消费。
And and the RBA's analysis, they find that in particular, uh you can put it down to I'd put it down to three C's. Three sectors in particular where the wealth effect does really hit. Consumers changes in asset prices do really affect consumption. Those three C's being cars, clothing, and couches. The furniture sector being some of the lumpier items that when people are feeling wealthier, they go and purchase. But at the moment, what we've got is we've got house prices in Australia's capital cities have been declining declining now for a number of months.
根据RBA的分析,他们发现,特别是,嗯,你可以归结为三个C。特别是三个领域,财富效应确实会起作用。消费者资产价格的变化确实会影响消费。这三个C就是汽车(Cars)、服装(Clothing)和沙发(Couches)。家具行业是一些大件商品,当人们感觉更富有时,他们会去购买。但目前的情况是,澳大利亚首府城市的房价已经连续几个月下跌了。
At the aggregate level, Sydney and Melbourne were first just before Christmas and early in the year, they began to decline. And the RBA's on the RBA's numbers, they find that for a 1% increase in housing wealth, you get a a boost to consumer spending of 0.16%. Now, if we take that in reverse, the almost 4% nearly 5% decline we've got in house housing wealth through house price declines should result in a nearly 0.8% hit to consumer spending.
总体来看,悉尼和墨尔本在圣诞节前和年初首先开始下跌。根据RBA的数据,他们发现住房财富每增加1%,消费者支出就会增加0.16%。现在,如果我们反过来看,房价下跌导致住房财富减少近4%到5%,应该会导致消费者支出减少近0.8%。
But instead, we've got this with that concentration of that hit to consumer spending in those three C's and cars in particular. And instead, what we've got is we've got vehicle sales really jumping up in the first half of the year with a electric vehicles really leading the charge.
但实际上,我们看到的却是,这种对消费者支出的冲击集中在三个C上,尤其是汽车。相反,我们看到的是,今年上半年汽车销量大幅上升,尤其是电动汽车引领了这一趋势。
Of course, they are saving money as well. Ultimately, in the long run, I guess that's that's the way they they look at these purchases. Obviously, a clear advantage of this shift is that Australian households become less exposed to volatile global oil prices. The Middle East, of course, has given us a a pretty vivid [clears throat] reminder of that risk this year. But how significant could that kind of protection become?
当然,他们也在省钱。最终,从长远来看,我想这就是他们看待这些购买的方式。显然,这种转变的一个明显优势是,澳大利亚家庭对波动的全球油价不那么敏感了。当然,中东今年已经给了我们一个非常生动的[清嗓子]提醒,让我们看到了这种风险。但那种保护能有多重要呢?
Could Could the shift to EVs materially change the way future oil shocks hit Australian households?
转向电动汽车能否实质性地改变未来油价冲击对澳大利亚家庭的影响方式?
There's been a Australia is a is a big net energy exporter to the to the rest of the world. And so, you know, the economy as as a whole benefits when energy prices rise. And And the big benefits come through in terms of gas prices for the gas exports, coal prices. We do export a little bit of oil, but on the flip side, we the fuels that we use, the automotive fuels, we import a lot of those in particular, around 80 to 90% of our consumption of those fuels is imported from Asian refineries.
澳大利亚是一个向世界其他地区大量净出口能源的国家。因此,你知道,当能源价格上涨时,整个经济整体上会受益。主要的收益来自天然气出口的天然气价格和煤炭价格。我们确实出口少量石油,但另一方面,我们使用的燃料,即汽车燃料,我们大量进口,特别是我们消费的这些燃料中大约80%到90%是从亚洲炼油厂进口的。
And so, while the economy benefits, consumers get this hit. Over the long term, if we look at how many liters of automotive gasoline, or petrol as we would call it in Australia, is is used by Australian households. And if we divide it by the population, we find that you know, the average person is using 3% less petrol per year. Going over the last
因此,虽然经济受益,但消费者却受到冲击。从长期来看,如果我们看看澳大利亚家庭每年使用多少升汽车汽油(我们在澳大利亚称之为petrol),然后除以人口,我们会发现,你知道,平均每人每年使用的汽油量减少了3%。回顾过去
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