英伟达财报超预期但毛利率微降,投资者反应平淡
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英伟达财报是重磅事件,毛利率指引和涨价计划直接影响AI产业链投资逻辑,值得关注后续对内存、服务器厂商的传导效应。
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I want to bring in Kun John Sabani of Bloomberg Intelligence. He's senior semiconductor analyst. Kung Jan, uh, I'm wondering, you know, we haven't had a chance to talk to you. It's it's been about 13 minutes since these numbers crossed. Obviously, you were prepared for them. Apart from that outlook on the top line, what sticks out to you from this print?
我想请出彭博智库的库恩·约翰·萨巴尼。他是资深半导体分析师。库恩·简,嗯,我在想,你知道,我们还没机会和你聊聊。这些数字公布已经大约13分钟了。显然,你已经为此做好了准备。除了对营收的展望,这次财报中还有什么让你特别关注的点?
Yeah, there's a slight miss on the gross margin. I think that is going to get a lot more questions. You know, in our preview, we talked about the three key areas people were looking at. One is that sort of circular financing angle that Ed really laid out very clearly. Second was this gross margin. Remember, Nvidia has announced price increases that implies that they need to increase their price to protect that 75% gross margin.
是的,毛利率略有不及预期。我认为这会引发更多问题。你知道,在我们的预览中,我们谈到了人们关注的三个关键领域。一是那种循环融资的角度,艾德已经讲得非常清楚。第二是毛利率。记住,英伟达已宣布提价,这意味着他们需要提高价格来保护那75%的毛利率。
They only came a tad bit below, but it will be interesting how the outlook looks when the Vera Rubin ramp starts fully in the fourth fiscal quarter. So, that is something we're going to pay very close attention to. Uh, Coojan, I got to ask you, their shares have kind of been on this wild ride, right? They sink in the winter. Um, in the spring, they kind of bounce back. In the summer, it's been kind of a little bit all over the place.
他们只是略微低于预期,但当Vera Rubin在第四财季全面启动时,前景会如何将很有趣。所以,这是我们非常密切关注的事情。呃,库恩·简,我得问你,他们的股价一直像坐过山车一样,对吧?冬天下跌。嗯,春天有所反弹。夏天则有点起伏不定。
Um, they coming off a 7-day losing streak as well. So, we look at Nvidia, it's up about 14% in 2026. Um it's a decent showing a little bit of far cry from past performance. Um what can you say about is that all concerns about the AI trade? Is that simply exactly what it was or or is there more to the story?
嗯,他们刚刚结束了连续7天的下跌。所以,我们看英伟达,2026年上涨约14%。嗯,表现还算不错,但与过去的表现相比有点差距。嗯,你能说这全都是对AI交易的担忧吗?仅仅就是这样,还是背后还有更多故事?
No, it's simply that is you know look Nvidia is the overall AI trade right now. Right. So uh that's what the concerns are and right now I think we are in that bubble gap timing wise this quarter and next quarter where everyone's trying to figure out what happens in 28 and until you don't get the clarity that this AI wave continues or accelerates in 28 people are trying to sort of stay on the sidelines
不,仅仅是因为,你知道,英伟达目前就是整个AI交易的代表。对吧。所以,这就是担忧所在,而现在我认为我们正处于这个泡沫的间隙期,在本季度和下季度,每个人都在试图弄清楚2028年会发生什么,除非你得到明确信号表明这股AI浪潮在2028年继续或加速,否则人们会试图保持观望。
and what is up with gross margins that that bottom line figure there.
还有毛利率怎么了,那个底线数字。
Yeah. Yeah. I mean I'm just I'm reading back over it. I'm I'll just recount it. So in the quarter gone adjusted gross margins were 75% bang in line with expectations for the fiscal third the guide is 74% plus or minus 50 basis points I think consensus was 74.8% on the adjusted gross margin. Um Kungjan just said that Nvidia has announced price increases. Maybe he knows something I don't. But all I'll do is say that Bloomberg had reported that the server makers were informing customers that starting in January 2027 that any system shipped from that point both Blackwell and Vera Rubin would be subject to higher prices of 15% or more.
是的,是的。我的意思是,我正在重新阅读一遍。我会再复述一遍。因此,在刚过去的这个季度,调整后毛利率为75%,与预期完全一致。对于第三财季,指引为74%上下浮动50个基点,我记得市场共识是调整后毛利率74.8%。嗯,Kungjan刚才说英伟达已经宣布涨价。也许他知道一些我不知道的事情。但我能说的是,彭博社曾报道,服务器制造商正在通知客户,从2027年1月开始,任何从那时起出货的系统,无论是Blackwell还是Vera Rubin,都将面临15%或更高的价格上涨。
And so like right now the environment is hard right now. uh you know memory pricing we've talked about the supplier commitment expanding but but I don't get a sense that there's an explanation of what the impact on margin was contemporaneously right I don't see that in the release so you know on the call maybe there'll be just some discussion of that you know what are the the the real time impacts of higher memory uh what are the real-time impacts of fighting for fab capacity you know we just don't have answers there
所以,现在环境确实很艰难。嗯,你知道,内存定价,我们讨论过供应商承诺的扩大,但我不觉得有解释这对利润率的影响是同步的,对吧,我在公告里没看到这一点。所以,你知道,在电话会议上也许会有一些讨论,比如更高的内存成本带来的实时影响是什么,争夺晶圆厂产能的实时影响是什么。你知道,我们就是没有答案。
hey uh Kun John we're getting questions from people around the world right now who are tuning into this. Um, this one's from pretty close to home actually. Giri in Edison, New Jersey. This is actually about what Ed was just talking about sending a question to us about in Nvidia informing its customers that the prices of servers with its chip are going up by 15%. Ed, that's what you were just speaking about, right?
嘿,Kun John,我们现在收到来自世界各地正在收听的人的问题。嗯,这个问题其实离我们很近。来自新泽西州爱迪生的Giri。这实际上是关于Ed刚才谈到的,向我们提问关于英伟达通知客户其芯片服务器价格将上涨15%的事情。Ed,这就是你刚才说的,对吧?
Yeah.
是的。
Okay.
好的。
That was a Bloomberg report last week or I can't remember. Yeah.
那是彭博社上周的报道,或者我记不清了。是的。
Okay. So, Gary asks, and I'll pose this question to both of you. I'll I'll start with you, Kun John. what percentage of it is directly going to its top line and how much is going to DRM producers uh Micron Samsung and the like and what percent is going to server manufacturers so curious they're just curious about who the um beneficiaries of this is is it cororeweave is it nebius is it Dell or is it the Samsung and microns Samsung's and microns of the world
好的。所以,Gary问,我会把这个问题提给你们两位。我先从你开始,Kun John。其中有多少百分比直接进入其营收,有多少流向DRM生产商,如美光、三星等,又有多少百分比流向服务器制造商?所以他们只是好奇,谁是受益者,是CoreWeave,是Nebius,是戴尔,还是三星和美光这些公司?
yeah from what it seems like I mean the company has not publicly discussed but our estimate would be it's all going to offset the rise in memory prices remember uh Nvidia purchased purchases the memory from the memory suppliers and has a pass through model. So in order for it to protect this margin when the cost of its input which is memory and wafers from TSMC as well that has also increased in prices it needs to raise its prices.
是的,从目前的情况来看,我的意思是公司尚未公开讨论,但我们的估计是,这一切都将抵消内存价格的上涨。记住,Nvidia 从内存供应商那里购买内存,并采用转嫁模式。因此,为了在输入成本(即内存和来自台积电的晶圆,其价格也已上涨)上升时保护其利润率,它需要提高价格。
So most of this is going for that in input rise from wafer so to TSMC and the rest to the memory makers.
所以,这大部分将用于抵消来自台积电的晶圆输入成本的上升,其余则用于抵消内存制造商的成本上升。
Yeah. Do you have do you have anything to add to Giri's question about the sort of you again not just this we don't get this information from the company
是的。关于 Giri 的问题,你有没有什么要补充的?同样,不仅仅是这个,我们并没有从公司那里得到这些信息。
but just based on your reporting and and you report on a lot of the Neo cloud providers as as well as the DRAM producers
但仅基于你的报道,而且你报道了很多 Neo 云提供商以及 DRAM 生产商。
um well the way that I would put it and I I kind of throw it back as a question to Kunjan if I can is like just remember how the world works so like if you are a a neocloud or a hyperscaler or you're a large software company that has their own sort of data center on prem you don't walk into Santa Clara and say, "Hi, Jensen. Can I have a hundred of those?" It's not how it works. There are companies like Dell, HPE, Super Micro that assemble the servers.
嗯,我的看法是,如果可以的话,我想把这个问题抛回给 Kunjan,就像记住世界是如何运作的一样。比如,如果你是一个 Neo 云或超大规模云提供商,或者你是一个拥有自己的本地数据中心的大型软件公司,你不会走进圣克拉拉说:“嗨,Jensen,能给我一百个那种吗?”事情不是这样运作的。有像 Dell、HPE、Super Micro 这样的公司来组装服务器。
And historically and traditionally, they are also the sales channel, right? And so like our reporting was based on the idea that those server makers told Nvidia customers like prices are going up. Um, Nvidia owns more of the content of the server design, but I'm trying to understand like where and when this like price hike gets initiated. Do you see what I mean, Kungjan? you know I I do and again like the flow through of the whole bomb starting from foundry adding memory Nvidia chips and the work that the OEMs the Dell's put in uh so this is going to flow through everywhere and it's again it's coming from the back front end of the supply chain so rising input wafer cost has to be passed through from the chipmaker rising memory prices has to be eaten by the chipmaker which then in turn is increasing prices which you know forces or necessates the Dells and OEMs to increase their prices as Unless some party within the supply chain decides to eat that cost.
而且从历史上和传统上看,它们也是销售渠道,对吧?所以我们的报道是基于这样的想法:那些服务器制造商告诉 Nvidia 的客户,价格要上涨了。嗯,Nvidia 在服务器设计中拥有更多的内容,但我想理解的是,这种涨价是在哪里以及何时开始的。你明白我的意思吗,Kunjan?我明白,而且再次强调,整个链条的传导,从代工厂开始,加上内存、Nvidia 芯片,以及像 Dell 这样的 OEM 厂商所做的工作,所以这将传导到所有地方,而且再次,它来自供应链的前端,所以晶圆输入成本的上升必须由芯片制造商转嫁出去,内存价格的上涨必须由芯片制造商承担,这反过来又导致其提高价格,这迫使或使得 Dell 和 OEM 厂商不得不提高他们的价格,除非供应链中的某个环节决定承担这部分成本。
Ken, can you talk about um looking ahead, right? Can you talk about where Nvidia's next phase of growth is is coming from and and how important is China um to their growth?
Ken,你能谈谈展望未来吗?你能谈谈 Nvidia 下一阶段的增长来自哪里,以及中国对其增长有多重要吗?
Yeah, I mean look, growth is sort of been driven mostly from the data center, but within the data center, the ACIE segment is something uh we estimate in the long term is going to grow faster from a growth rate perspective. Hyperscaler still being a big piece. Uh China again is going to be a key question. Still today Z estimate of China in in in current consensus. Uh we have heard news about some H200 being shipped uh to the sort of numbers of few billion dollars but nothing has been clarified there yet.
是的,我的意思是,看,增长主要来自数据中心,但在数据中心内部,ACIE细分市场,我们估计从长期增长率角度来看,它会增长得更快。超大规模云服务商仍然占据很大一部分。嗯,中国再次成为一个关键问题。今天,Z对中国的估计仍处于当前共识之中。我们听到一些关于H200被运往中国的消息,金额达到数十亿美元,但那里还没有任何澄清。
So anything on China will be an upside to that numbers. However, I want to point out you know I think there's a lot more being made around China. Even if they can open up and start shipping initial samples, that's about sort of 10 20 or so billion dollars per year what they used to uh get from China given the size of their business today. I don't think that's going to move the needle a lot.
所以,关于中国的任何消息都会是那个数字的上行空间。然而,我想指出,你知道,我认为围绕中国有更多的事情在发生。即使他们能够开放并开始运送初始样品,那大约是他们过去每年从中国获得的100亿到200亿美元左右,考虑到他们今天的业务规模。我不认为那会带来很大的变化。
Nvidia earnings are out. Okay, so we've been speaking with a great panel of people. First of them there w
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