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Trade tensions [music] between the US and Canada are reaching new highs. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announcing the country will double its counter tariffs on American steel and aluminum products along with a slew of other levies to additional goods matching the US tariffs announced last week and nearly dollar for dollar. Canada's finance minister addressing what went into their government's decision earlier today.
[音乐] 美国与加拿大之间的贸易紧张局势正达到新高。加拿大总理马克·卡尼宣布,该国将对美国的钢铁和铝产品加倍征收反制关税,并对其他额外商品征收一系列关税,与上周美国宣布的关税几乎一一对应。加拿大财政部长今天早些时候就政府决策背后的考量发表了讲话。
Well, you know, I think things got a little heated, Joe, yesterday between both of us. He was throwing insults. He's not shy to throw insults to anyone. and uh I I hit back. But I I think it'd be more productive if we actually sit down and the prime minister and and the president sit down and have a fair deal for everyone because right now there's uh there's there's not certainty in either country. There's not stability.
嗯,你知道,乔,我觉得昨天我们双方都有点激动。他在侮辱人。他对任何人都不吝于侮辱。呃,我也回击了。但我认为,如果我们真的坐下来,总理和总统能坐下来谈成一份对各方都公平的协议,那会更富有成效,因为目前两国都缺乏确定性,缺乏稳定性。
I talked to a lot of governors and senators and congress people. Uh they need certainty. Their constituents need certainty. And the way you do it is by signing a fair uh trade deal. And I told the prime minister uh no deal is better than a bad deal and we have to go tariff for tariff and and uh dollar for dollar and it's it's unfortunate uh we we had an attack from President Trump on our sovereignty on our country on the economy that were so integrated uh both both countries were both each other's number one customer and it just doesn't make sense to uh attack attack each other.
我和很多州长、参议员和国会议员谈过。呃,他们需要确定性。他们的选民需要确定性。而实现这一点的途径是签署一份公平的贸易协议。我告诉总理,呃,没有协议总比坏协议好,我们必须以关税对关税,呃,以美元对美元,而且很遗憾,呃,我们遭到了特朗普总统对我们主权、对我们国家、对我们如此一体化的经济的攻击——两国都是彼此最大的客户——互相攻击实在没有道理。
Well, we understand Ontario is disproportionately impacted uh by these tariffs when you look across the country of Canada. Will you move if if this is the direction we're going in to cut off electricity to the United States as you threaten?
嗯,我们了解到,纵观加拿大全国,安大略省受这些关税的影响尤为严重。如果这就是我们前进的方向,你会像你威胁的那样,切断对美国的电力供应吗?
Well, I wouldn't say cut it off, but uh search charges for sure. It doesn't make sense to the Ontario people that uh when we're under attack economically that we'd be sending electricity down to companies and and residents to keep their power going. I have an idea, Joe. I'd like to send more electricity down there. I'd like to create Fortress North America and keep an eye on people that may not see eye to eye with both countries like China and Russia.
嗯,我不会说切断供应,但肯定会收取搜索费用。对安大略省的人来说,当我们经济上受到攻击时,还要把电力输送给南边的公司和居民,让他们维持供电,这说不通。乔,我有个想法。我想往那边输送更多电力。我想打造“北美堡垒”,同时留意那些可能与中美俄等两国看法不一致的人。
But right now, it seems like the president's treating communist China better than his closest friend and ally for over 200 years. It's not productive. And a tariff on on Canada is nothing more than a tax on the American people. And we've seen that they're going to be paying thousands of dollars more in cost. The president ran on reducing uh unemployment. And it's actually you lost jobs last month. We gained 52,000 in Ontario alone, 120,000 in 4 months.
但目前看来,总统对待共产主义中国的态度比对待他200多年最亲密的朋友和盟友还要好。这没有建设性。对加拿大加征关税,无非是对美国人民征税。我们已经看到,他们将多支付数千美元的成本。总统竞选时承诺降低失业率。实际上,上个月你们失去了工作岗位。仅安大略省我们就增加了52,000个岗位,四个月内增加了120,000个。
We're diversifying our trade and once that train leaves the the station and we're we're dealing with other countries around the world which we've seen increases of 100 150% of new trade, it's [clears throat] it's hard to turn that train around. So, we're we're going to continue uh working with the administration and I'm confident the prime minister and the president hopefully will president will come to their senses and actually uh make a fair deal.
我们正在实现贸易多元化,一旦那列火车驶出车站,我们开始与世界其他国家打交道——我们已经看到新贸易增长了100%到150%——[清嗓子]那列火车就很难掉头了。所以,我们将继续与政府合作,我相信总理和总统,希望总统能清醒过来,真正达成公平的协议。
Well, I'll tell you, I've been watching the president's truth social feed, as I I'm sure you have. He's been saying a lot, posting a lot about Canada, including this one. The US is giving serious consideration, he says, to changing the name of Lake Ontario to Lake America in that we don't expect to be doing much business with Ontario much longer. How much of this is serious, Premiere? How much of this is chest thumping around the negotiating table that will actually end up in a deal?
嗯,我告诉你,我一直在看总统的“真相社交”动态,我相信你也在看。他对加拿大说了很多,发了很多帖子,包括这一条。他说,美国正在认真考虑将安大略湖改名为“美国湖”,因为我们预计不会再与安大略省做太多生意了。省长,这其中有多少是认真的?有多少是谈判桌上的虚张声势,最终会达成协议?
Well, you know something, that's up to the president if he wants to change Lake Ontario uh to Lake America. I know Canadians, we're always going to call it Lake Ontario, but that's that's a lot of rhetoric again. And uh he's saying he won't do a lot of business with Ontario. Well, let me remind the president, 9 million Americans wake up every single morning to produce a product, a widget, or a service for Ontario. Uh if we were a standalone country, which I never recommend, we'd be your third largest trading partner in the world.
嗯,你知道,如果总统想把安大略湖改成“美国湖”,那是他的事。我知道加拿大人,我们永远会叫它安大略湖,但这又是很多花言巧语。他说他不会与安大略省做太多生意。那么,让我提醒总统,每天早晨有900万美国人醒来,为安大略省生产产品、小物件或提供服务。如果我们是一个独立国家——我从不建议这样——我们将是世界第三大贸易伙伴。
Ontario alone, Canada is your number one customer. Ontario is a number one customer to 15 states and number two to 12 others. So it would really really affect uh a lot of states. I'll give you an example, Joe. You know, already the auto sector has been hit by $ 110 billion. That's $ 110 billion. And I, you know, I feel for the the auto workers in Ontario, but I also because I love the Americans. I love the US. I think about the workers in Texas and Kentucky and Michigan and Illinois and Ohio that are going to lose their job because we buy 400% more vehicles than anywhere else in the entire world.
仅安大略省,加拿大就是你的头号客户。安大略省是15个州的第一大客户,也是其他12个州的第二大客户。所以这真的会影响到很多州。乔,我给你举个例子。你知道,汽车行业已经遭受了1100亿美元的损失。那是1100亿美元。而且,你知道,我为安大略省的汽车工人感到难过,但我也因为热爱美国人、热爱美国,想到了得克萨斯州、肯塔基州、密歇根州、伊利诺伊州和俄亥俄州的工人,他们会因为我们的汽车购买量比全球其他任何地方多出400%而失业。
And so that's it's going to be unfortunate if we go down this uh go down this road.
所以,如果我们走上这条路,那将是不幸的。
Bring us inside to the extent that you can what happened on Saturday night. There was a lot of ink spilled in the days before this uh to suggest that a deal was at hand. Uh we know things fell apart at the 11th hour. has been reporting that Howard Lutnik might have been the one who pulled the plug on things. Who were you looking at on the other side of the table who is walking away from the table?
请尽可能让我们了解周六晚上发生了什么。在此之前,有很多报道暗示协议即将达成。我们知道事情在最后关头破裂了。有报道称霍华德·卢特尼克可能是那个叫停的人。你在谈判桌对面看到的是谁在退出谈判?
Well, what what what happened? I I mentioned we're the engine of Canada. Uh Ontario is and I told the prime minister this is an absolute terrible deal. It's a terrible deal for auto sectors, for steel workers, for manufacturing.
嗯,发生了什么?我提到我们是加拿大的引擎。安大略省就是,而且我告诉总理,这是一份绝对糟糕的协议。对汽车行业、钢铁工人和制造业来说都是一份糟糕的协议。
But did the terms of that deal change at the last minute? We understand that there was some real miscommunication in the way these messages were sent.
但协议条款是否在最后一刻发生了变化?我们了解到,在信息传递方式上确实存在一些真正的沟通失误。
It it was what I understand uh you know they kept changing the goalpost constantly right up to the last minute and you can't negotiate when you change the goalpost in the last minute. You have to have trust and faith in your uh partner.
据我所知,他们一直在不断改变目标,直到最后一刻,而你不能在对方最后一刻改变目标的情况下进行谈判。你必须对合作伙伴有信任和信心。
Do you have trust and faith in Howard Lutnik?
你对霍华德·卢特尼克有信任和信心吗?
Well, you know, Howard is a shrewd operator and I've talked to him uh a few times. uh he's trying to protect the United States and the best way to protect the United States is make a deal. make make you know in the auto sector I always say you can't unscramble an egg that's been around since the 1960s the auto pack you have to make the omelette larger and when we see Chinese vehicles coming in uh that that's that's real really challenging for auto workers in the US and in Canada there's one way to fix this just like Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan never believed in in uh tariffs he he believed in making sure that he created an environment and conditions for for Americans to have more jobs, more exports, more trade around the world.
嗯,你知道,霍华德是个精明的操作者,我和他谈过几次。他试图保护美国,而保护美国的最好方式就是达成协议。在汽车行业,我总说,你不能把自20世纪60年代以来就存在的汽车协议这枚鸡蛋重新打散,你必须把煎蛋做得更大。当我们看到中国汽车进入时,这对美国和加拿大的汽车工人来说确实非常具有挑战性。解决这个问题有一个办法,就像罗纳德·里根一样,里根从不相信关税,他相信要确保为美国人创造环境和条件,让他们在全球拥有更多就业机会、更多出口和更多贸易。
And unfortunately, President Trump has taken a different avenue that just does not work. It's going to cost Americans thousands and thousands of dollars. Uh and it's it's unfortunate. So, we're the number one customer when it comes to steel and aluminum and uh oil, 4.1 million barrels of oil and potachsh that takes care of your agricultural sector, high-grade nickel. I I could just keep listing it off and uh it's going to it's going to hurt the American people.
不幸的是,特朗普总统选择了另一条行不通的道路。这将让美国民众花费成千上万的美元。这实在令人遗憾。我们是钢铁和铝材的头号客户,还有石油,每天410万桶,以及满足你们农业部门需求的钾肥,高纯度镍。我可以一直列举下去,而这将伤害美国人民。
I love the American people. I love the US. Uh unfortunately, we've been put in this uh position when you uh attack our our sovereignty and call us a 51st state and call the prime minister a governor. Uh it's unfortunate, but that's who we're dealing with and uh
我爱美国人民。我爱美国。不幸的是,当我们被置于这种境地,当你攻击我们的主权,称我们为第51个州,称总理为州长时,这令人遗憾,但这就是我们面对的现实。
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