WSJ:特朗普干预司法部对Live Nation反垄断案
How Trump intervened in the DOJ case against Live Nation
GEOFF: "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" IS REPORTING NEW DETAILS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ROLE IN A MAJOR ANTITRUST CASE INVOLVING LIVE NATION, THE CONCERT GIANT THAT OWNS TICKETMASTER. JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT ALI ROGIN HAS MORE. ALI: THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SPENT MORE THAN A DECADE BUILDING A CASE ACCUSING LIVE NATION OF ILLEGALLY DOMINATING THE LIVE EVENT INDUSTRY BY THWARTING COMPETITION TO KEEP TICKET PRICES HIGH, AND RESTRICTING ARTISTS' ACCESS TO LIVE VENUES.
杰夫:《华尔街日报》报道了特朗普总统在涉及Live Nation(拥有Ticketmaster的演唱会巨头)的一起重大反垄断案件中所扮演角色的新细节。司法部记者阿里·罗金带来更多报道。阿里:司法部花费了十多年时间构建此案,指控Live Nation通过阻碍竞争、维持高票价并限制艺人进入现场演出场所,非法主导现场活动行业。
BUT ACCORDING TO A NEW "WALL STREET JOURNAL" INVESTIGATION, THE PRESIDENT URGED SENIOR OFFICIALS AT THE DOJ TO SETTLE THE CASE JUST DAYS BEFORE IT WAS SET TO GO TO TRIAL. IT CAME SHORTLY AFTER THE PRESIDENT MET WITH THE COMPANY'S CEO IN THE OVAL OFFICE. ATTORNEYS GENERAL FROM 33 STATES AND D.C. HAD JOINED THE LAWSUIT, AND DESPITE THE SETTLEMENT, MOST REFUSED TO SIGN ON TO IT, SAYING THE TERMS WERE TOO FAVORABLE. IN APRIL, A JURY IN THE STATE AG'S CASE FOUND THE COMPANY ILLEGALLY MONOPOLIZED THE TICKETING MARKET.
但根据《华尔街日报》的一项新调查,总统在案件即将开庭审理前几天,敦促司法部高级官员和解此案。此前不久,总统刚刚在白宫椭圆形办公室会见了该公司首席执行官。来自33个州和哥伦比亚特区的总检察长已加入诉讼,尽管达成和解,但大多数人拒绝签署,称条款过于有利。4月,州总检察长案件中的陪审团裁定该公司非法垄断了票务市场。
FOR MORE, I'M JOINED BY "WALL STREET JOURNAL" INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER REBECCA BALLHAUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. WHAT DID YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES REPORTING REVEAL ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CASE? REBECCA: AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLY UNUSUAL CASE. IT IS A CASE THAT WAS FIRST BROUGHT BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED IN 2024, THEN ATTORNEY GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND SO THAT IT IS TIME TO BREAK UP LIVE NATION AND TICKET MASTER.
更多详情,我邀请到了《华尔街日报》调查记者丽贝卡·鲍尔豪斯。非常感谢您的到来。您和同事的报道揭示了特朗普总统在此案中的哪些参与情况?丽贝卡:正如您所说,这是一起极其不寻常的案件。此案最初由拜登政府提起。2024年宣布时,时任总检察长梅里克·加兰表示,是时候拆分Live Nation和Ticketmaster了。
WHEN TRUMP COMES INTO OFFICE IN 2025, IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS POISED TO KEEP UP THE PRESSURE ON THE INDUSTRY. HE ANNOUNCED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT IS AIMED AT CRACKING DOWN ON THE CONCERT INDUSTRY, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING TICKET SCALPING AN EXPLETIVE PRICING -- AND EXPLOITATING PRICING. THEN, WE SEE THE DOJ AND LIVE NATION SPEND MONTHS AND MONTHS EXCHANGING SETTLEMENTS AND NEGOTIATING. LIVE NATION FOR MONTHS CANNOT EVEN GET IN THE DOOR WITH THE DOJ.
当特朗普于2025年上任时,他似乎准备继续对该行业施压。他宣布了一项旨在打击演唱会行业的行政命令,特别针对票务倒卖和剥削性定价。然后,我们看到司法部和Live Nation花了数月时间交换和解方案并进行谈判。Live Nation数月来甚至无法进入司法部的大门。
FINALLY, THEIR CEO SITS DOWN WITH TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE JUST DAYS BEFORE THE TRIAL IS SET TO START. AND OUR REPORTING SHOWS AFTER THAT, TRUMP MAKES A CALL TO THE DOJ AND SAYS SETTLE THIS CASE. BY THE END OF THE DAY THAT MONDAY, THE FIRST LEG OF THE TRIAL, LIVE NATION'S LAWYER TELLS THE JUDGE THEY ALL BUT HAVE A DEAL FOR A SETTLEMENT. ALI: STUNNING 180 DEGREES SHIFT. THIS IS A PLAYBOOK THAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES HAVE FOLLOWED WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO APPEAL TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTLY WITH THEIR FACING LAWSUITS.
最终,他们的首席执行官在审判开始前几天与特朗普在椭圆形办公室会面。我们的报道显示,在那之后,特朗普致电司法部,表示要和解此案。到那个周一的当天结束时,审判的第一阶段,Live Nation的律师告诉法官,他们几乎已经达成了和解协议。阿里:令人震惊的180度大转弯。这是其他个人和公司在面临诉讼时试图直接向特朗普总统求助时遵循的策略。
WHAT SORT OF TACTICS DID YOU FIND THAT LIVE NATION EMPLOYED TO CURRY THE PRESIDENT'S FAVOR AND GET HIM TO INTERVENE? REBECCA: I SHOULD SAY THE MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THE OVAL OFFICE WITH THE LIVE NATION CEO, TRUMP ACTUALLY CALLED THAT MEETING TO DISCUSS THE KENNEDY CENTER WHICH AT THAT POINT WAS A REAL FIXATION OF HIS. HE WANTED TO IMPROVE BOOKINGS AT THE CENTER AND WANTED LIVE NATION'S HELP. HE HAD ASKED CEO TO BE WITH HIM TO DISCUSS THAT.
你发现Live Nation采用了哪些策略来讨好总统并让他介入?丽贝卡:我应该说,与总统和Live Nation CEO的椭圆形办公室会议,实际上是特朗普主动召集的,目的是讨论肯尼迪中心,那时他对那里非常着迷。他想改善中心的预订情况,并希望得到Live Nation的帮助。他要求CEO与他一起讨论此事。
OVER THE COURSE OF THE MEETING SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF HOW IS THE CASE GOING, HAS IT BEEN RESOLVED
在会议过程中,他说了类似这样的话:案件进展如何,解决了吗?
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