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SaaS创始人复盘:避免独裁、沉淀文化与内部提拔

Scaling a SaaS to €35M ARR: 3 Mistakes I'd Never Repeat

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Okay, so I want to talk to you about three mistakes I made while growing my business and also selling it. Um First, I want to give you a bit of context. So, first the I in the sense, that's me, almost the same clothing. I think different Apple Watch. But Tim Van de Casteele, um I'm a technical co-founder, started the business 10 years ago. So, the second part in that, the business, the business that I started was called Silverfin.

好的,我想和大家聊聊我在创业和出售公司过程中犯下的三个错误。嗯,首先我想给大家一些背景信息。这里的“我”指的就是我本人,穿着几乎一样的衣服,可能苹果手表不太一样。我是蒂姆·范德卡斯特勒(Tim Van de Casteele),一名技术联合创始人,十年前创办了这家公司。所以第二部分涉及的是业务,我创办的公司名叫 Silverfin。

I would be very surprised if you know it. Maybe the Belgians, I'm also from Belgium. The Belgians, Marie over there. But it was software as a service for accounting firms. I grew it to 35 million ARR when I actually left the business, sold it a bit earlier, and I sold it for 300 million according to public sources because I can't say because I signed an NDA, obviously. But ballpark figure, approximately right. So, I want to tell you about three mistakes I made.

如果你们知道它,我会非常惊讶。可能是比利时人,我也来自比利时。那边的玛丽是比利时人。但它是面向会计师事务所的软件即服务(SaaS)产品。当我离开公司时,我已将其营收规模增长至 3500 万美元的年度经常性收入(ARR)。我稍早一点出售了它,根据公开消息,我以 3 亿美元的价格出售了它,因为我签了保密协议,显然不能透露具体细节。但大致数字差不多是这样。所以,我想告诉你们我犯过的三个错误。

The mistakes are a bit random, they're not ordered to be clear on that. But they're three random mistakes that I made that I don't want you to make or if you make them, at least I can say I told you so. Um first mistake, and I took a bit of inspiration in the open source world, and that's me being benevolent dictator. And I'm using it a bit freely, but being a benevolent dictator, what do I mean by that? I mean that I use people as tool.

这些错误有点随机,为了明确起见,它们并没有按特定顺序排列。但它们是我犯过的三个随机错误,我不希望你们重蹈覆辙;或者即使你们犯了,至少我可以说是我提醒过你们的。嗯,第一个错误,我从开源世界中汲取了一些灵感,那就是我扮演“仁慈独裁者”的角色。我使用这个词比较随意,但所谓“仁慈独裁者”,我的意思是什么?我的意思是我把人当作工具来使用。

So, most of you are founders here. That means that you think you know it better. At least I did. So, that means when I say jump, you jump and and you execute. And that's a great feeling because I'm super efficient. I can just like do whatever I think I want to do, it's my gut feeling. And at the same time, I feel very much in control because people just do whatever I say they do. Okay. So, I feel very much in control.

所以在座的各位大多是创始人。这意味着你认为自己更懂行。至少我当时是这么想的。所以,这意味着当我说“跳”的时候,你们就跳,并且去执行。这种感觉很棒,因为我超级高效。我可以随心所欲地做我认为想做的事,凭直觉行事。同时,我感到非常有掌控力,因为人们只是按照我说的去做。好吧。所以,我感到非常有掌控力。

And that it works. I mean, I've done it way too long, that's the mistake, but it works very much because you can really drive the company wherever you want to do it. And with five people, 10 people maybe, it does work. But in the end, you're creating a huge bottleneck. Uh you yourself are the bottleneck. We were actually two benevolent dictators, however that works. Um but we were creating bottleneck. And the thing is that if you tell people to do something, and they do it, they execute on it, they might do it well, but they start to come up reasons.

而且这确实有效。我的意思是,我这样做的时间太长了,这就是错误所在,但它确实很有效,因为你真的可以把公司带向任何你想要的方向。对于五个人、十个人左右的情况,这确实可行。但最终,你是在制造一个巨大的瓶颈。呃,你自己就是那个瓶颈。我们实际上是两个“仁慈独裁者”,不管那是什么意思。但我们确实在制造瓶颈。问题是,如果你告诉人们去做某事,而他们照做了并执行了,他们可能做得很好,但他们开始会提出理由。

If you don't explain why, they start to come up with reasons. And spoiler, mostly they're the wrong reasons. So, they start to make all these micro decisions, which in the end the company is making micro decisions. They start making these decisions and the wrong ones for the wrong reasons, so they're making the wrong decisions. It also creates a disconnection from the business. If you just have to execute, if something is wrong, all the blame is to the dictator, not to you.

如果你不解释原因,他们就会开始自行揣测理由。而剧透一下,这些理由大多都是错的。于是,他们会开始做出各种微观决策,最终导致公司也在做微观决策。他们开始基于错误的原因做出错误的决策。这还会造成与业务的脱节。如果你只是被要求执行,一旦出了问题,所有责任都会归咎于独裁者,而不是你。

So, it creates this big disconnect. So, my answer to that is empower people early. And that's pretty easy. It's pretty obvious. Basically, most my mistakes are pretty obvious. Um but empowering people early means that you write something down, you write down your principle, your guardrails, but then you you have the courage, you're brave to actually let them make decisions. Make people make decisions. And And the earlier you do it, maybe the smaller the decisions that they can make.

所以,这造成了巨大的脱节。因此,我的回答是尽早赋予人们权力。这其实很简单,也很明显。基本上,我犯的大多数错误都很明显。嗯,但尽早赋能意味着你要把东西写下来,写下你的原则和护栏,然后你要鼓起勇气,勇敢地让他们真正去做决策。让人们去决策。而且你越早这样做,他们能做的决策可能就越小。

They can't run with their head into the wall, but it gives them more skin in the game, and it actually It actually allows for better decisions. Because again, if people can make the decisions and the people closer to the problem make the decisions, they will make bit better decisions almost by definition. Better than the decisions you would have made as your benevolent dictator. All right. Second mistake. Not thinking about culture.

他们不能闭着眼睛乱撞,但这增加了他们的利益关联度(skin in the game),实际上这允许做出更好的决策。因为再次强调,如果人们能够做决策,并且由最接近问题的人来做决策,那么根据定义,他们几乎总能做出稍好一点的决策。这比你作为仁慈的独裁者所做的决策要好。好了,第二个错误:没有考虑到文化。

And that's something also again super super obvious. It has been already talked about quite a few times here. Um culture I'm an engineer. I'm a technical guy. And for me, people were saying, "Oh, culture, you write it down, and you put it on posters or whatever." These hollow words, I didn't believe in that. I didn't like that. For me, it was like, "Culture is what's practiced, right? Culture is you lead by example, and and you do, and people will see."

这一点同样超级超级明显。这里已经讨论过好几次了。嗯,我是工程师,是个搞技术的。对我来说,人们说:“哦,文化嘛,你把它写下来,印在海报上之类的。”这些空洞的话,我不相信,也不喜欢。对我来说,文化就是实践出来的,对吧?文化是你以身作则,你去行动,大家自然会看到。

And again, that's true to a certain extent, but it translates badly. So, we had offices in in different regions. For example, an office in the UK, we had remote people. If you don't write things down, then it's very hard to translate that behavior. If If you have a retreat, like how do people know how to behave in person if they only have met you remotely? At the same time, kind of a recurring theme, if something is not written down, like people will hear what they want to hear.

同样,这在一定程度上是正确的,但这种方式难以有效传递。例如,我们在不同地区设有办公室。比如英国的一个办公室,我们有远程办公的员工。如果你不把事情写下来,就很难将这种行为模式翻译/传达清楚。如果你有线下团建,对于那些只通过远程与你见过面的人来说,他们怎么知道在现场该如何行事呢?同时,这也是一个反复出现的主题:如果某些事情没有写下来,人们就会听到他们想听到的内容。

You'd be surprised if you have a conversation and people agree with you how many times is you have to if you actually write it down, there's actually quite a huge disagreement. So, my fix for this is just write down a one-pager. You can follow a certain framework or whatever, but even just writing down what you think the culture is, that makes a huge difference. If you're with two founders, you'd be amazed if you actually try to do some wordsmithing where you actually differ.

如果你进行对话,人们会同意你多少次?如果你真的把它写下来,你会发现存在相当大的分歧。所以,我的解决办法是写一页纸的说明。你可以遵循某个框架或其他方式,但即使只是写下你认为的文化是什么,这也会带来巨大的不同。如果你是两位创始人之一,你们会惊讶于如果你们真的尝试进行一些文字打磨,你们之间会有多大的差异。

So, if you write it down, only that process already makes you actually think about it. But at the same time, it gives you something to actually align with other people. All right. Mistake number three, the outsider's glow. I asked GPT what it's called. I don't know. It's probably not an actual thing, but to me, you're building a company, and you get a lot of senior people, maybe some juniors, and and you start building a team.

所以,如果你把它写下来,光是这个过程就已经让你真正去思考它了。但同时,它也给了你一个与他人对齐的东西。好吧。第三个错误:局外人的光环效应。我问GPT这叫什么名字。我不知道。这可能并不是一个正式的概念,但对我来说,当你建立一家公司时,你会吸引很多资深人士,可能还有一些初级员工,然后开始组建团队。

You have five people, 10 people. And there's a certain moment in time that you look and you look towards management, maybe leadership team, and you see that you don't have the skill in house. Now, how my mind works is you start to look outside and you look for experienced people because I don't want those mistakes on my payroll, right? Like, let somebody else pay for it and I'll just reap the benefits of that. At the same time, like looking at experienced people, it's it's a bit comfortable.

你有五个人、十个人。在某个时刻,你会看向管理层,也许是领导团队,发现你没有内部技能。现在,我的思维方式是你开始向外看,寻找有经验的人,因为我不想让我的工资单上出现那些错误,对吧?让别人为此买单,而我则从中受益。同时,寻找有经验的人感觉有点舒适。

It's a bit lazy because you don't have to make a bet. Like, you see on a CV, "Oh, this person has already done that specific thing. Let's just um take that person and use it." And even if I was wrong, like they probably lied on their CV, it's not on me. So, with outsiders, we have the tendency to actually be more hopeful. Um so, we we give them the benefit of the doubt. But, internal people for one need career progress.

这有点懒惰,因为你不需要做出赌注。比如,你在简历上看到:“哦,这个人已经做过那件具体的事情了。我们就用这个人吧。”即使我错了,比如他们可能在简历上撒谎了,责任也不在我。因此,对于外部人员,我们倾向于更加乐观。嗯,所以我们给予他们信任的好处。但是,内部人员需要职业发展。

So, if you put in leadership team or or somebody else on top of them, like they're "What the hell is this about? Uh what is my next step?" At the same time, internal people, they have a they're way more committed and way more loyal than anybody externally. Like, it's impossible for somebody that hasn't joined your company before to be already loyal to it. So, in that sense, they have a head start that somebody that anybody actually externally can't even achieve.

所以,如果你在领导层之上再放一个人或其他人,他们会想:“这到底是怎么回事?我的下一步是什么?”同时,内部人员比任何外部人员都更有承诺感和忠诚度。比如,一个之前没有加入过你公司的人不可能对公司忠诚。因此,从这个意义上说,他们有一个外部人员无法企及的优势。

So, my learning was to give internal people the benefit of the doubt way more than outsiders. Um and the thing is, yes, it you make a personal investment and a personal bet, so you do take a risk, a way bigger risk on a person than you would do internally. But, we've made the mistake of installing a leadership team and basically then firing everybody, trying that again, and eventually realizing that we actually had to promote people internally.

所以,我的教训是:比起外部人员,我们要更多地给予内部人员信任。嗯,关键在于,是的,你做出了个人投入和个人押注,因此你对一个人的风险承担确实比在内部要大得多。但是,我们曾犯过一个错误:任命了一个领导团队,然后基本上解雇了所有人,试图再次尝试,最终意识到我们实际上必须从内部提拔人才。

Our first employee, um who started with customer success, we put somebody on top of that, fired that person, put somebody on top of that, fired that person, in the end to realize actually that he was the person that we would should have put our faith in. And then actually he um is the person now, for example, leading our biggest market. Now, these are three random mistakes, but uh maybe obvious to you, definitely not obvious to me, definitely not while making them.

我们的第一位员工,嗯,最初负责客户成功,我们曾在他之上安排一个人,解雇了那个人;又在他之上安排另一个人,又解雇了那个人;最终才意识到,其实他才是我们应该信任的人。而现在,例如,他正是带领我们最大市场的负责人。当然,这只是三个随机发生的错误,但也许对你来说显而易见,对我而言绝对不明显,在做这些决定时肯定也不明显。

There were also things that I would do again, things I do think that we did successfully and I'v

也有一些事情我会再做一次,我认为我们做得很成功的事情,而且我

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