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澳洲四大银行警告房价跌势未止,明年回升难补今年损失

What Bank CEOs Are Saying About the Housing Downturn | The Bloomberg Australia Podcast

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The housing downturn is starting to bite and Australia's biggest banks are feeling it.

住房市场低迷开始显现影响,澳大利亚最大的银行也感受到了压力。

Australia's tumbling property market is set to fall even further with the nation's big [music] four banks warning while home values will recover next year, it won't be enough to make up for this year's losses.

澳大利亚不断下跌的房地产市场预计将进一步下滑,国内四大银行警告称,尽管明年房价将回升,但不足以弥补今年的损失。

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Of course, housing has softened. House prices peaked in March this year. Applications actually peaked [music] last year.

当然,房地产市场已经疲软。房价在今年3月达到顶峰。申请量实际上在去年达到顶峰。

Welcome to the Bloomberg Australia podcast. I'm Chris Burke. This week we're looking at the worsening outlook for the housing market and what the bosses of our biggest banks are saying about it this earning season. I'm joined by Sydney-based finance editor Adam Haigh to unpack what we learned about where house prices could be heading, how long the downturn might last and what it all means for the banks' bottom lines.

欢迎收听彭博澳大利亚播客。我是克里斯·伯克。本周我们关注住房市场前景的恶化,以及在这个财报季,我们最大银行的负责人对此有何看法。悉尼金融编辑亚当·海格将与我一起分析我们了解到的房价可能走向、低迷可能持续多久,以及这一切对银行利润意味着什么。

Adam, welcome back to the podcast.

亚当,欢迎回到播客。

Thanks very much. It's great to be back.

非常感谢。很高兴回来。

Adam, we normally refer to house prices as the great Australian barbecue stopper. I don't know about Sydney, but here in Melbourne we're still some way off from lighting up the Barbie. That hasn't stopped everyone from talking relentlessly about house prices just in gloomier tones than usual. Can you set the scene for us? What's happening in the housing market?

亚当,我们通常把房价称为澳大利亚烧烤话题的终结者。我不知道悉尼的情况,但在这里墨尔本,我们离点燃烧烤炉还有一段距离。但这并没有阻止大家不停地谈论房价,只是语气比平时更悲观。你能为我们介绍一下背景吗?住房市场正在发生什么?

Well, I totally agree with you. You know, it's really on the front of everyone's lips. I mean, I was just out on Saturday night and there was fair amount of conversation about about the softening in in the market. And I think really what this comes down to is, you know, a few things. We've we've already seen you know, prices come down quite a bit. That's obviously clear. We're seeing a softening in auction clearance rates.

嗯,我完全同意你的看法。你知道,这确实是每个人嘴边的话题。我的意思是,我周六晚上刚出去,就有不少关于市场疲软的讨论。我认为这归根结底是几个因素。我们已经看到房价下跌了不少。这显然很清楚。我们看到拍卖清盘率在下降。

So, there is you know, quite a lot going on in the softening of the market and there's a few reasons why that's happening. I think it's important to kind of look at those. But really you got things happening at the same time. And the first of those is that interest rates have gone up. So, three rises by the RBA early this year, that's kind of set the scene for higher borrowing costs for a lot of people. Um and then you've had the tax changes that were announced in the May budget that have softened softened the appetite from property investors um quite significantly.

所以,市场疲软有很多因素,发生这种情况有几个原因。我认为重要的是要看看这些。但确实有几件事同时发生。首先是利率上升了。所以,今年早些时候澳大利亚储备银行三次加息,这为很多人的借贷成本上升奠定了基础。然后,5月预算中宣布的税收变化显著削弱了房地产投资者的兴趣。

Um and then you have, you know, just just that overall feeling of, well, if this is kind of going to get a little bit worse, do I really need to sell my house? Why don't I wait and just leave it for a few months and see. So, those three things coming together in this confluence of of of uh of negative activity really, which is combining to um to make it a pretty um a pretty poor outlook for for the housing market.

嗯,然后你会有那种整体的感觉,就是,如果情况会变得更糟一点,我真的需要卖掉我的房子吗?为什么不等等,先放几个月看看呢。所以,这三件事汇聚在一起,形成了一股负面的活动潮流,真的,这结合起来,使得房地产市场的前景相当黯淡。

Yeah, and we've been writing about these things for some time. Uh but uh last week it started to feel a bit more real. Uh we heard from uh our biggest banks, CBA, Westpac, and ANZ, and then just on Monday we heard from National Australia Bank. What did we learn from the big four about where the housing market might be going? The mood sounded pretty downbeat.

是的,我们写这些事情已经有一段时间了。但是,上周开始感觉更真实了。我们听到了我们最大的银行,CBA、Westpac 和 ANZ 的消息,然后就在周一,我们听到了澳大利亚国民银行的消息。我们从四大银行那里了解到了关于房地产市场可能走向的什么信息?气氛听起来相当悲观。

It It was. And And clearly what they're seeing is a drop in mortgage applications, and that's to the order of, you know, 10, 12, 15% down um in that period from kind kind of the middle of May to to to now. Um so, all of the banks are saying, well, listen, we've already seen this decrease in in activity of people wanting to apply for a mortgage at our at our banks. And they're also saying, you know, on the one hand, there's Matt Comyn, the CEO of CBA, who's saying, "Hang on a second, like some of this is stabilizing here.

确实如此。而且他们显然看到的是抵押贷款申请量的下降,从五月中旬到现在,这个下降幅度大约在 10%、12%、15% 左右。所以,所有银行都在说,听着,我们已经看到了在我们银行申请抵押贷款的人数减少。他们还说,一方面,CBA 的首席执行官 Matt Comyn 说,"等等,这里有些情况正在稳定下来。

Um yes, we've seen a softening of of activity here, but, you know, don't don't get too carried away. Um you know, he's kind of maybe putting a slightly brighter to tone on things." And then some of the other leaders, you know, maybe making a more of a of a kind of a negative forecast forward about what might happen um from here. But, you know, this does come at a pretty tricky time for the economy. And and as house prices slow and less mortgages um get applied for, of course, it's it's bad for the banks in terms of their profitability.

嗯,是的,我们看到这里的活动有所放缓,但是,你知道,不要太激动。嗯,他可能给事情增添了一点更明亮的色调。" 然后其他一些领导人,你知道,可能对未来可能发生的事情做出更负面的预测。但是,你知道,这对经济来说确实是一个棘手的时刻。随着房价放缓和抵押贷款申请减少,当然,这对银行的盈利能力是不利的。

It does curb a big component of how banks make their money. And so, you have to kind of see that in the one side of, you know, slowing credit demand is a tricky thing for banks to navigate. But meantime, these banks are still doing pretty well, you know, they're still spitting out some pretty good profit numbers um for the period that we've just been hearing about.

这确实抑制了银行赚钱的一个重要组成部分。所以,你必须看到,一方面,信贷需求放缓对银行来说是一个难以应对的问题。但与此同时,这些银行仍然表现不错,你知道,他们仍然为我们刚刚听到的时期吐出了相当不错的利润数字。

Yeah, you're right. Commonwealth painting uh we're trying to paint a a fairly more optimistic picture, I guess, than than some. I mean, he made the point on his earnings call that national dwelling prices have fallen by approximately 2.8% since their March peak. But they've increased nearly 70% in the past 7 years. So, I guess that context is pretty important. Um but, you know, you're right. Uh this is this is stuff that affects their bottom line.

是的,你说得对。联邦银行方面,我们试图描绘一个比某些人更为乐观的画面,我想。我的意思是,他在财报电话会议上指出,全国住宅价格自三月峰值以来已下跌约2.8%。但在过去7年里,它们上涨了近70%。所以,我想这个背景非常重要。嗯,但是,你知道,你说得对。呃,这些是影响他们利润的事情。

On Friday, we got that um we also got some pretty nasty official lending data for property investors from our friends at the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Take us through what those numbers showed.

周五,我们得到了,嗯,我们还从澳大利亚统计局的朋友那里得到了一些相当糟糕的官方贷款数据,针对房地产投资者。请给我们介绍一下这些数字显示了什么。

Yeah, they they they showed more of the same picture, really. So, new loans to home investors down more than 10% in the June quarter. And even more exaggerated those in in New South Wales, which is of course where where Sydney is. Um new loans there for for home investors down more than 14% on the quarter. So, um clearly there are pockets where um this is more pronounced in and some of the big um some of the big markets are really feeling the downturn.

是的,它们,它们,它们显示了更多相同的景象,真的。所以,新房投资者贷款在六月季度下降了超过10%。而在新南威尔士州,这些数字甚至更为夸张,那里当然是悉尼所在的地方。嗯,那里的新房投资者贷款季度下降了超过14%。所以,显然在某些领域,这种情况更为明显,一些大型市场确实感受到了低迷。

But I think back to your point about the context of just how much house prices have gone up, which Comyn was quite willing to to articulate. He does make a point, you have to understand where prices have come from. And we've had such a great boom for such a long time in the Australian housing market. So some softening off a peak is not necessarily something to get, you know, really worried about. The question from here is the extent to which prices continue to to decline.

但我回想起你关于房价上涨了多少的背景观点,科明很愿意阐述这一点。他确实提出了一个观点,你必须理解价格是从哪里来的。而且澳大利亚房地产市场经历了如此长时间的大繁荣。所以,从峰值有所软化不一定需要,你知道,真正担心。从这里开始的问题是价格继续下跌的程度。

And of course, um you know, there are a few different views on that, but it's it's not necessarily the case that prices will continue declining at the rate that they have done um over the last few months.

当然,嗯,你知道,对此有几种不同的看法,但价格不一定继续以过去几个月那样的速度下跌。

I guess for investors the question is how much will this affect the banks? We know CBA is the market leader in mortgages, followed by Westpac. Does that necessarily make them the most vulnerable to a housing downturn or or other other lenders that might be taking greater risks?

我想对投资者来说,问题是这会对银行产生多大影响?我们知道CBA是抵押贷款市场的领导者,其次是西太平洋银行。这是否必然使它们最容易受到住房低迷的影响,还是其他可能承担更大风险的贷款机构?

Well well, you are right. CBA has about 24 25% of the entire mortgage market of the country. So clearly, um you know, any move either way for the housing market is going to have a big impact on on on its book. Um but to the extent that they are the biggest, they can, you know, weather the storm a little bit better. Um I think you've got a lot of dynamics going on. If you look at ANZ Bank for example, you know, they've been trying to kind of come back up after a few years um out in the relative wilderness to try and claw back a bit of that market share.

嗯嗯,你说得对。CBA占据了全国抵押贷款市场约24%到25%的份额。所以很明显,你知道,房地产市场任何方向的变动都会对其账本产生重大影响。但作为最大的银行,他们能更好地应对风暴。我认为有很多动态因素在起作用。比如看ANZ银行,你知道,他们在相对低迷几年后一直在努力回升,试图夺回一些市场份额。

And of course, it's a tricky time to be doing that, especially at a time when Macquarie have been very aggressive in in gaining market share. They've come from a very low base up to, you know, around 7% of of total market share recently. So um there are a lot of competitive dynamics still going on between these four or five big big banks in the market. And I think the expectations are that those competitive dynamics will only get stronger and and fiercer over the next kind of 6 months or so because if we're in a a protracted period of of a downturn with prices, um it does put pressure on margins and [snorts] therefore banks have to be quite deliberate about what they're going to do.

当然,现在这样做时机很棘手,尤其是在Macquarie积极抢占市场份额的时候。他们从很低的基数起步,最近已经占到总市场份额的约7%。所以市场上这四五家大银行之间仍有很多竞争动态。我认为预期是这些竞争动态在未来6个月左右只会变得更加强烈和激烈,因为如果我们处于房价持续下跌的时期,这会给利润率带来压力,因此银行必须非常谨慎地决定他们的行动。

Are they going to offer some some, you know, some bonuses to get people in um and try and go after a bit more of th

他们是否会提供一些奖金来吸引客户,并尝试争取更多市场份额呢?

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