高盛:并购市场活跃,IPO市场全面开放
Goldman's McClure Says IPO Market 'Wide Open' for Business
I would say the tone in the boardroom is very much one of enthusiasm and confidence in deploying capital on M&A transactions and in particular, a desire to build scale in their core businesses. So you're right, uh, year to date. We're currently at $3.8 trillion in announced M&A volume. And importantly though, it's been very much a strategic driven M&A market. And that's been pronounced at the upper end of the M&A market.
我想说,董事会的氛围非常积极,对在并购交易中部署资本充满信心,尤其是希望在核心业务上扩大规模。所以你说得对,今年迄今,我们宣布的并购交易额已达3.8万亿美元。但重要的是,这确实是一个由战略驱动的并购市场,在并购市场的高端尤为明显。
So if you look at the number of transactions north of $10 billion year to date, where to record, we're at 49 so far this year. Now what is driving that? I think there's a few factors. So one is and I'm sure we're going to talk about it as CEO resilience. I think they are more adept at dealing with uncertainty. The macro backdrop has held up. So that leaves them confidence to lean in and deploying capital. And there's a sense that they want to exploit their first mover advantage.
所以,如果你看看今年迄今超过100亿美元的交易数量,我们今年到目前为止已有49笔。那么是什么在推动这一趋势呢?我认为有几个因素。一是,我相信我们会谈到CEO的韧性。我认为他们更擅长应对不确定性。宏观背景一直保持稳定,这让他们有信心积极投入并部署资本。而且他们有一种想要利用先发优势的感觉。
So they want to maintain their competitive positioning and and get ahead of their peers by doing M&A. But doesn't that in itself? Sorry if I can interrupt for a second, suggests that there is this period of upheaval. If they feel the need to get out in front, there's AI, there's all these things happening. How much of it is I don't want to say anxiety because clearly they're confident if they're doing these things, but is it suggestive of a fast changing landscape?
所以他们想通过并购来维持竞争地位,领先同行。但这本身不——抱歉,我插一句——这难道不表明正处于动荡时期吗?如果他们觉得需要走在前面,有AI,有所有这些事情在发生。这有多少是——我不想说是焦虑,因为显然他们做这些事时很自信——但这难道不表明格局在快速变化吗?
I don't think it's anxiety. I think CEOs and corporates generally have just become much more adept at dealing with volatility and near-term pressures. So if you take a step back over the last several years, they've had a lot of potential headwinds. So Covid and then the ensuing supply chain disruption globally. Last year, we had the evolution in trade policy and the tariffs that followed. And then this year, with the events in the Middle East, we've obviously had rising energy prices, which have become somewhat inflationary.
我不认为这是焦虑。我认为CEO和企业总体上只是变得更擅长应对波动和短期压力。所以如果你退一步看过去几年,他们面临过很多潜在的不利因素。比如新冠疫情,然后是随之而来的全球供应链中断。去年,我们有贸易政策的演变和随之而来的关税。而今年,随着中东事件,我们显然看到了能源价格上涨,这在一定程度上引发了通胀。
So they've been dealing with a lot. But I think their true north, frankly, is focusing on delivering long term shareholder value and executing on their strategic Priorities and and therefore not necessarily waiting around until they have the perfect set of conditions before they execute a transaction. Well, given that and the fact that they can weather all these that are frankly existential crises from war to inflation to Covid to now ISE disruption, is there anything at this point that you think could slow down M&A volume?
所以他们一直在应对很多事情。但我认为,坦率地说,他们的核心目标是专注于为股东创造长期价值,执行战略优先事项,因此不一定非要等到条件完美才执行交易。那么,鉴于这一点,以及他们能够经受住所有这些——坦率地说,从战争到通胀到疫情再到现在的ISE中断——这些生存危机,你觉得目前有什么可能会减缓并购交易量吗?
At the moment, we're not seeing any slowdown in the strategic dialogue around their appetite to deploy capital. Um, you know, there are the things that could potentially offset that or the potential headwinds. I would say any deterioration in the macro. So, for example, if we see energy prices remain elevated and that becomes very inflationary, that could be problematic. Um, to the extent that we see a fundamental shift in, in monetary policy.
目前,我们并未看到他们在部署资本意愿方面的战略对话有任何放缓。嗯,你知道,有些因素可能会抵消这种势头,或者说成为潜在的不利因素。我会说,任何宏观经济的恶化。比如,如果我们看到能源价格持续高企,并变得非常通胀,那可能会成为问题。嗯,就我们看到的货币政策根本性转变而言。
So for example, as interest rates go the wrong way, the cost of capital becomes more expensive. That could be an issue. And obviously geopolitics is always a wild card. You know tough to predict. But as of now, we're not seeing any slowdown in strategic dialogue around M&A. And I would say, you know, whatever that headwind ultimately ends up being, that potentially dampens the M&A market. We're probably not going to be able to protect it right now.
例如,当利率朝错误方向发展时,资本成本变得更加昂贵。那可能是个问题。显然,地缘政治总是一个不确定因素。你知道,很难预测。但就目前而言,我们并未看到围绕并购的战略对话有任何放缓。而且我想说,无论最终的不利因素是什么,那都可能抑制并购市场。我们现在可能无法保护它。
Having lived through a number of M&A cycles. Can we talk about the part of this M&A environment that did slow down and is only now just showing signs of life, and that's private equity sponsor backed M&A. To what degree are we seeing signs of life. Is the logjam finally breaking. We're seeing signs of life but it's gradual. So it's very much, as I said, a strategic driven M&A market at the moment. Um but to give you one statistic.
经历过多次并购周期。我们能谈谈并购环境中确实放缓、现在才刚开始显现生机的部分吗?那就是私募股权支持的并购。我们在多大程度上看到了生机迹象?僵局是否终于被打破?我们看到了一些生机,但进展是渐进的。所以,正如我所说,目前这非常是一个战略驱动的并购市场。嗯,但给你一个统计数据。
So um, private equity M&A volumes are up now 10% by deal value year over year. They've obviously faced, um, you know, a number of potential headwinds this year, whether they were long software assets in their portfolios, private credit. There's been a lot of noise around that. And obviously interest rates have not come down quite as materially as far as the market originally anticipated. But we're starting to see, you know, more confidence amongst our private equity clients.
嗯,私募股权并购的交易额同比现在增长了10%。他们今年显然面临了多种潜在的不利因素,无论是他们投资组合中的长期软件资产,还是私人信贷。围绕这些有很多噪音。显然,利率并没有像市场最初预期的那样大幅下降。但我们开始看到,你知道,我们的私募股权客户中有了更多的信心。
There is more capital floating around potential take privates. And I would say, you know, with $1.5 trillion of capital to deploy, you know, that's got to be put to work at some point. And obviously M&A is going to be a big component of that. One of the factors in this world where there has been so much dry powder on the private side, is that companies are staying private for longer. And a lot of those once startups that are still private are doing deals.
有更多的资本在潜在私有化交易周围流动。我想说,你知道,有1.5万亿美元的资本待部署,那总得在某个时候投入使用。显然,并购将是其中的重要组成部分。在这个私人领域有如此多干火药的世界里,一个因素是公司保持私有状态的时间更长。而且许多曾经是初创企业、现在仍为私有的公司正在做交易。
There was stripe, for example, buying Open Router just this week. Is that an enduring trend? Do you think these private companies being the ones to execute M&A? There's no question that, um, you know, the private market offers more flexibility to raise capital now than it perhaps did ten years ago. And that is allowing corporates such as the one that you mentioned, you know, to deploy capital on M&A and do private financings and uh, and put that money to work.
例如,本周就有Stripe收购Open Router的例子。这是一个持久的趋势吗?您认为这些私营公司会成为执行并购的主体吗?毫无疑问,如今私营市场在筹集资本方面比十年前提供了更大的灵活性。这使得像您提到的这类企业能够部署资本进行并购、进行私人融资,并将这些资金投入使用。
So I think the pressure to access the public markets to raise funds is not the same imperative that it was. But that said, you know, we're currently experiencing a very healthy IPO market at the moment. Does that change at all that that private part or those private tech companies changed all the allocations at Goldman? Is that something that you increase, for example, allocations business wise to it? Just that growing part of the market?
所以我认为,进入公开市场筹集资金的压力已不像过去那样紧迫。但话虽如此,目前我们正经历一个非常健康的IPO市场。这是否会改变私营部分或那些私营科技公司在高盛的所有配置?例如,您是否会增加这方面的业务配置?仅仅因为这是市场中增长的部分?
No, not really. I don't think it fundamentally changes that that dynamic. But obviously we're servicing clients whether they are, you know, uh, their intent is to remain private for several years or they have ambitions to go public. What are the parts of the business that you think you would like to see grow and are growing more within the investment banking universe? Well, obviously, we were fortunate enough, as we talked about, to be in a relatively healthy M&A market at the moment.
不,并非如此。我不认为这会从根本上改变这种动态。但显然,我们服务客户,无论他们打算保持私营数年,还是有上市雄心。在投资银行业务中,您认为哪些部分您希望看到增长,并且实际上正在增长更多?嗯,显然,正如我们谈到的,我们很幸运,目前处于一个相对健康的并购市场。
And we can talk about the IPO market is wide open for business. So we're seeing a lot of growth both in the M&A side and in financing across the board. At call out a couple of sectors that I see, uh, having a disproportionate amount of growth. Obviously I infrastructure there's enormous amount of activity around uh, around that space. I would say we're seeing a great deal of activity. I mentioned at the larger end of the M&A market, but also in the mid-market, right.
我们可以说IPO市场对业务完全开放。因此,我们在并购和融资方面都看到了大量增长。我想指出几个我看到增长不成比例增长的领域。显然,基础设施领域有大量活动。我想说我们看到了大量活动。我提到了并购市场的高端,但也在中端市场,对吧。
You know, you're seeing a lot of private capital going into that. So that's an area of growth for us. Um, and you're seeing other, um, other mechanisms for private equity taking capital loss on the table, uh, besides just going for an IPO. So for example, continuation vehicles. So I would point to all three of those as real meaningful areas of growth at the moment. If we can talk more about the IPO market, um, obviously space was huge for Goldman as a whole.
您知道,您会看到大量私人资本进入这一领域。所以这对我们来说是一个增长领域。嗯,您还会看到其他机制,让私募股权除了IPO之外,还能将资本损失摆上台面。例如,延续工具。所以我会指出这三者都是目前真正重要的增长领域。如果我们能进一步讨论IPO市场,嗯,显然太空领域对高盛整体来说非常庞大。
We still have some blockbuster IPOs coming up. Anthropic, OpenAI. So the big ones clearly will OpenAI, maybe not, at least this year. The big ones are clearly coming to market. But when you look at the IPO environment in its entirety, how healthy is it or how dominated is it by the mega deals? Yeah, the IPO market is open for business. So let's start there. And I would say the issuance has been fairly broad based uh year to date.
我们还有一些重磅IPO即将到来。Anthropic、OpenAI。所以大公司显然会是OpenAI,也许不是,至少今年不是。大公司显然正在进入市场。但当你整体看待IPO环境时,它有多健康,或者它被大型交易主导的程度如何?是的,IPO市场已经开放营业。所以让我们从那里开始。我要说的是,今年迄今为止,发行范围相当广泛。
There's no question that, you know, the I tailwind has had a pronounced effect on the IPO market. You mentioned SpaceX, but when you look at I related to IPOs, it roughly represents around 20% of the number of companies that have gone public year to date, but over 50% of the amount of capital that's been raised. Now, obviously, that latter number is somewhat skewed by the SpaceX IPO. But what I would say is when you look at the non AI related IPOs, they're up 30% year over year.
毫无疑问,你知道,人工智能的顺风效应对IPO市场产生了显著影响。你提到了SpaceX,但当你看到与IPO相关的人工智能时,它大约代表了今年迄今为止上市公司的20%,但筹集资金总额的超过50%。现在,显然,后一个数字在某种程度上被SpaceX的IPO所扭曲。但我要说的是,当你看到非人工智能相关的IPO时,它们同比增长了30%。
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