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日本二季度GDP增速放缓至1.1%,央行加息预期升温

Effects of Slow Growth on the Bank of Japan, China's AI Race | Bloomberg Daybreak: Asia Edition

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[music] Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts radio news. [music] Welcome to the Daybreak Asia podcast. I'm Doug Krer. [music] We begin in Japan where economic growth unexpectedly slowed in the second quarter. Real GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.1%. Now, much of that weakness reflects a slump in capital spending given the uncertainty stemming from the conflict in the Middle East. And that in turn could complicate efforts from the Bank of Japan to fine-tune communications as it weighs the timing of the next interest rate increase.

[音乐] 彭博音频工作室播客、广播新闻。[音乐] 欢迎收听《亚洲黎明》播客。我是道格·克雷尔。[音乐] 我们从日本开始,该国第二季度经济增长意外放缓。实际GDP年化增长率仅为1.1%。现在,这种疲软在很大程度上反映了资本支出的下滑,这源于中东冲突带来的不确定性。而这反过来可能使日本央行在权衡下次加息时机时,微调沟通策略的努力变得更加复杂。

For more, we caught up with Homeman Lee. He is senior macro strategist at Lombard ODA. He spoke with Bloomberg TV host Paul Allen and Heidi Strad Watts. Paul started the conversation with a question on whether the Bank of Japan has now an excuse to keep doing nothing and if the carry trade is still alive and well. Well, we would uh push back a bit against the idea that 1.1% quote unquote is an anemic number for uh an economy like Japan that in fact the 2.0% 0% uh consensus uh might have might have been a little too aggressive especially in the quarter when we had the the full impact of energy market disruptions.

更多详情,我们采访了霍曼·李。他是Lombard ODA的高级宏观策略师。他与彭博电视主持人保罗·艾伦和海迪·斯特拉德·沃茨进行了对话。保罗首先提问,日本央行现在是否有理由继续按兵不动,以及套利交易是否仍然活跃。嗯,我们会稍微反驳一下“1.1%”这个数字对日本这样的经济体来说是“疲软”的观点。事实上,2.0%的共识预期可能有点过于激进,尤其是在我们经历了能源市场动荡全面影响的这个季度。

The bottom line is that we have a positive growth and it's entirely possible that given the history of revisions in the uh Japan's economic real GDP data after capex numbers come out from the ministry of finance you could actually see a bit of upgrade and this positive growth uh is good enough uh in our view for the bank of Japan to still consider some additional rate hikes and and if you look at the deflator series for the same release uh in fact it was above consensus right so we do have this underlying inflation uh and of course in the context of a fairly weak yen.

底线是我们有正增长,而且考虑到日本实际GDP数据在财务省资本支出数据公布后的修订历史,你完全有可能看到数据上调。在我们看来,这种正增长足以让日本央行仍考虑进一步加息。而且,如果你看同一发布中的平减指数系列,实际上它高于共识预期,所以我们确实有这种潜在的通胀,当然,这是在日元相对疲软的背景下。

So, we still think it's quite likely for the Bank of Japan to actually try to lean against uh some aggressive carry trade by raising short-term rates and and also we don't rule out the possibility of uh the BOJ bringing forward uh their tightening plans uh for the remainder of the year and the joint intervention that you mentioned uh in fact raises the stake for the policy makers to consider that kind of a yen supporting measure in the remainder of the year.

因此,我们仍然认为日本央行很可能会通过提高短期利率来抑制一些激进的套利交易,同时我们也不排除日本央行提前其年内剩余时间的紧缩计划的可能性。你提到的联合干预,实际上提高了政策制定者在年内剩余时间考虑采取这种支撑日元措施的风险。

All that said, you are overweight Japan. Are there any particular sectors that you're looking at or is it just all about the AI story right now?

话虽如此,你超配日本。你是在关注特定板块,还是目前一切都围绕AI故事呢?

Well, AI is certainly a key theme for the Japanese equity market, but also industrials and materials. Uh basically, you have the cyclical sector in the Japanese equity market, you know, firing on all cylinders. And that's actually quite uh uh uh uh normal to expect this kind of outcome uh in a global uh cyclical boom given the market's uh usual sensitivity and a high operating leverage. So um even if there is a bit of setback on rates front and the dollar yen front uh and certainly for the letter we don't expect a major appreciation from here even if the BOJ uh raises rates a bit uh given the ondemanding valuation and fairly uh good setup for the earnings outlook uh we think the the broad market will perform pretty well but if you really have to delve into the sectors financials some industrials and materials I think these sectors are quite nicely positioned for the remainder of the year and of course the AI theme.

嗯,人工智能无疑是日本股市的一个关键主题,但工业股和材料股也是如此。基本上,日本股市中的周期性板块正在全面发力。考虑到市场通常的敏感性和高经营杠杆,在全球周期性繁荣中出现这种结果其实是很正常的。因此,即使利率和美元兑日元汇率方面出现一些挫折——当然对于后者,即使日本央行略微加息,我们也不预期日元会大幅升值——鉴于估值合理且盈利前景相当不错,我们认为大盘会表现良好。但如果真要深入细分行业,金融、部分工业股和材料股,我认为这些行业在今年剩余时间里定位相当不错,当然还有人工智能主题。

Staying with the AI theme, I know that you're constructive when it comes to South Korea, when it comes to China as well as not underweight with the US. So, how are you kind of splitting where you see those opportunities? Because we've seen the disruptive force of China really continuing to make leaps and bounds. Is there better value there for the AI plays versus the sort of more western oriented markets? So uh we think the the debate uh in terms of the competition between the US tax stack and China tax stack will not be resolved uh in anytime soon uh simply because there is significant amount of uncertainty surrounding that debate. uh but uh given what has happened so far and the steady progress in technology that we see in the China tech stack we think it's worth having it as a hedge in the portfolio in a diversified portfolio setting uh having a bit of exposure to Chinese equities especially with this very cheap valuation of forward multiples around maybe uh slightly below 11 times for the offshore listings it's worth having it at least as a hatch uh so in case there are some unex expected a significant innovation and advancements in the China ecosystem.

继续谈人工智能主题,我知道你对韩国持建设性态度,对中国也是如此,同时也不低配美国。那么,你是如何分配这些机会的?因为我们看到中国的颠覆性力量确实在持续突飞猛进。在人工智能投资方面,中国是否比更偏西方的市场有更好的价值?我们认为,关于美国技术栈与中国技术栈之间竞争的争论不会很快得到解决,因为围绕这一争论存在大量不确定性。但鉴于迄今为止的情况以及我们在中国技术栈中看到的稳步技术进步,我们认为在多元化的投资组合中将其作为对冲是有价值的,适当配置一些中国股票,尤其是考虑到当前估值非常便宜,离岸上市的远期市盈率大约略低于11倍,至少值得作为对冲持有,以防中国生态系统出现一些意想不到的重大创新和进展。

You can benefit from that. For the US, our position is neutral. Uh you know the hyperscaler uh free cash flows and the financial financing debates. They're certainly not going away anytime soon, but the software sector is performing pretty well and we still like that sector. And finally for South Korea, memory still remains the bottleneck. Jeans paradox still valid for the dynamic between price and volume. So after with this uh coming down of volatility related to leverage positions among retail investors, we think it's actually worth having that exposure as one of the preferred uh exposures within the emerging market equity uh allocation.

你可以从中受益。对美国而言,我们的立场是中立的。你知道,超大规模数据中心、自由现金流以及金融融资的争论,短期内肯定不会消失,但软件行业表现相当不错,我们仍然看好这个行业。最后,对于韩国,内存仍然是瓶颈。吉恩斯悖论在价格与数量之间的动态关系中依然有效。因此,随着散户投资者杠杆头寸相关波动的下降,我们认为这实际上值得作为新兴市场股票配置中的优选敞口之一。

Markets at this point are pretty happy to kind of shrug off the risks, right? Namely, the macro weakness that we're still expecting out of China. We've got the domestic activity numbers coming through uh this week as well as obviously the lack of resolution in the Middle East and what happens with oil prices. Are these sizable risks to the downside? I mean these are risk factors that we need to live with and of course we have to be vigilant about them.

目前市场很乐意忽视这些风险,对吧?即我们仍预期中国出现的宏观疲软。本周国内活动数据将公布,同时中东问题显然未获解决,油价走势如何。这些是相当大的下行风险吗?我的意思是,这些是我们必须面对的风险因素,当然我们也必须对此保持警惕。

But um it really comes down to the conviction about the how these risks uh will actually affect the markets for the remainder of the year. And if you think about the the the Middle East conflict, uh the rhythm of you know a sporadic flare offs followed by a period of calm uh you know that's basically been the situation for uh the the region and we still think there is a very strong political incentive for both sides to basically maintain that framework uh despite very harsh rhetoric.

但真正关键的是,对于这些风险在年内剩余时间将如何实际影响市场的信念。如果你考虑中东冲突,那种零星爆发后归于平静的节奏,基本上就是该地区的常态,我们仍然认为双方都有非常强烈的政治动机来维持这一框架,尽管言辞激烈。

And for the, you know, uh, the China data, we're going to get the July data and it's entirely possible that it's a bit of disappointment. But if you think about the fiscal policy and the underutilized resources that has to be implemented more aggressively for the remainder of the year, we still think we still think the likely outcome for Chinese economy for the remainder of the year is that of a rebound. And so that really leaves uh especially for the emerging markets and the broader risk uh uh asset class uh the key factor actually could be uh the fed policy but for that again there is a debate we're siding with the extended pause uh view here and if that if we are right uh in that prognosis then the the risk assets could actually you know continue to grind up for the remainder of the year and that's the reason why we maintain our pro- risk tilt in our portfolios.

至于中国数据,我们将获得7月份的数据,完全有可能令人有些失望。但如果你考虑财政政策和未充分利用的资源,这些必须在年内剩余时间更积极地实施,我们仍然认为中国经济在年内剩余时间的可能结果是反弹。因此,这实际上使得,尤其是对于新兴市场和更广泛的风险资产类别,关键因素可能是美联储的政策,但对此又有争论,我们倾向于延长暂停的观点,如果我们的这一预测正确,那么风险资产实际上可能在年内剩余时间继续缓慢攀升,这就是我们保持投资组合中风险偏好倾斜的原因。

That is home and Lee, senior macro strategist at Lombard ODA, speaking with Bloomberg TV host Paul Allen and Heidi Strad Watts, bringing you their conversation here on [music] the Daybreak Asia podcast. [music] Welcome back to the Daybreak Asia podcast. I'm Doug Krer. We turn next to AI in China. Alibaba's Quen has become the world's most downloaded family of open models. Over three billion downloads globally in the past 6 months.

这里是Lombard ODA的高级宏观策略师Lee,正在与彭博电视主持人Paul Allen和Heidi Strad Watts对话,为您带来他们在[音乐]Daybreak Asia播客上的访谈。[音乐]欢迎回到Daybreak Asia播客,我是Doug Krer。接下来我们关注中国的人工智能领域。阿里巴巴的千问已成为全球下载量最大的开源模型系列,过去6个月全球下载量超过30亿次。

And now the Chinese artificial intelligence firm ZAI is set to upgrade its flagship model within 2 weeks. So in rolling out the upgrade, ZAI would join a series of Chinese openweight offerings looking to out compete with US firms Anthropic and Open AI. That was the topic of conversation on Bloomberg TV's China show. Host David Inglace and Ivon Mann spoke with Bloomberg strategist Anthony Stevens and Bloomberg analyst Robert Lee.

现在,中国人工智能公司ZAI计划在两周内升级其旗舰模型。在推出升级版时,ZAI将加入一系列中国开源权重模型的行列,旨在与美国公司Anthropic和OpenAI竞争。这是彭博电视中国节目上的讨论话题。主持人David Inglace和Ivon Mann与彭博策略师Anthony Stevens及彭博分析师Robert Lee进行了对话。

Anthony, let's start with you on really what caught your eye with some of the headlines here.

Anthony,先从你开始,谈谈这些头条新闻中真正吸引你的是什么。

Yeah. So, let's start with macro and kind of drill down, right? It's very interesting that Chin

好的。那么,让我们从宏观层面开始,然后逐步深入,对吧?非常有趣的是,中国

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