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古巴经济濒临崩溃,市场改革与投资前景引争议

Is Cuba Finally Ready for Capitalism?

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Westin: This is a story about hope triumphing over experience. Once again, the Cuban economy appears to be on the brink of collapse in the face of tightening U.S. economic sanctions. This time without the potential for help from the Soviet Union or Venezuela. -If we're not investing in Cuba, it would be a loss. No, the only way I'd live in Cuba is if the Cuban system collapses and Cuba becomes a democracy. That's the only way I could live in Cuba.

韦斯汀:这是一个关于希望战胜经验的故事。面对美国不断收紧的经济制裁,古巴经济再次濒临崩溃。这一次,没有了苏联或委内瑞拉提供帮助的可能性。-如果我们不在古巴投资,那将是一种损失。不,我唯一会住在古巴的方式是,如果古巴制度崩溃,古巴成为民主国家。那才是我能住在古巴的唯一方式。

When communism falls, I would return to Cuba. Westin: The section of Miami known as Little Havana is home to over half of Cuban-Americans whose families fled the Castro revolution nearly 70 years ago. And even as Havana, 200 miles to their south, struggles, many remain hopeful that things can and must change. -Cuba's in a lot of trouble, because unfortunately for them, it's run by a bunch of incompetent communists. Being a communist is bad, being an incompetent communist is, like, the worst.

当共产主义垮台时,我会回到古巴。韦斯汀:迈阿密被称为小哈瓦那的地区,居住着超过一半的古巴裔美国人,他们的家庭在近70年前逃离了卡斯特罗革命。即使在他们以南200英里的哈瓦那挣扎之际,许多人仍然希望事情能够也必须改变。-古巴现在麻烦很大,因为对他们来说不幸的是,它由一群无能的共产主义者管理。做共产主义者不好,做无能的共产主义者,就像是最糟糕的。

Westin: Before the revolution in 1959, Cuba had the third largest GDP per capita in Latin America. Today, the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean estimates that the country has the lowest nominal GDP per capita in the region. -Because of the U.S. sanctions, they've just been starved of finance for so long. I think every sector, pretty much every sector, is open to investment. Westin: Emily Morris is a research fellow at University College London.

韦斯汀:在1959年革命之前,古巴的人均GDP在拉丁美洲排名第三。今天,拉丁美洲和加勒比经济委员会估计,该国的人均名义GDP是该地区最低的。-由于美国的制裁,他们长期以来一直被剥夺了资金。我认为每个部门,几乎每个部门,都对投资开放。韦斯汀:艾米丽·莫里斯是伦敦大学学院的研究员。

Westin: There's a lot of uncertainty about Cuba right now. I won't ask you to predict what will happen, but give me a range of scenarios that might happen. -OK, well, the first scenario is, I suppose, the intended scenario for the actions that have been taken by the U.S. It creates such a lot of hardship that somehow the population turns against their government or the government is forced to resign, and then you have a change of regime and you have a new political system, and then you have the restoration of capitalism.

韦斯汀:目前关于古巴有很多不确定性。我不要求你预测会发生什么,但给我一些可能发生的情景范围。-好的,嗯,第一个情景,我想,是美国所采取行动的预期情景。它造成如此多的困难,以至于民众转而反对他们的政府,或者政府被迫辞职,然后你有一个政权更迭,你有一个新的政治体制,然后你恢复了资本主义。

The second scenario is that the U.S. continues to create more and more hardship and the situation just gets worse and worse in Cuba. The third scenario is if you went in and took out either the president or Raul Castro, who's 95, and then somebody else would step in. And then the fourth scenario is what, you know, they refer to as, you know, greater military action, which would be to ramp up the pressure by using U.S. military to damage infrastructure and all the rest of it.

第二种情景是,美国继续制造越来越多的困难,古巴的局势只会越来越糟。第三种情景是,如果你进去干掉总统或95岁的劳尔·卡斯特罗,然后其他人会介入。第四种情景是,你知道,他们所谓的更大规模的军事行动,即通过使用美国军事力量来破坏基础设施等等,以加大压力。

Again, unlikely to achieve the objectives. Westin: Some who hope for change in the Cuban economy point to President Díaz-Canel's proposed reforms. In the non-state sector, the list of prohibited activities will be narrowed. There is also a set of regulations to encourage foreign direct investment. They concern the right of superficies, removing obstacles, the use of bank accounts, and foreign direct investment approval timelines.

同样,也不太可能实现这些目标。韦斯汀:一些希望古巴经济变革的人将目光投向了迪亚斯-卡内尔总统提出的改革方案。在非国有部门,被禁止的活动清单将会缩减。还有一系列鼓励外国直接投资的法规,涉及地上权、消除障碍、银行账户的使用以及外国直接投资审批时间表。

Westin: In June, Cuban lawmakers passed 176 sweeping free market reforms, including the expansion of foreign and private investment, the decentralization of Cuba's economy, and liberalization of factors such as tourism, banking, property, and agriculture. -We've had this statement by the Cubans, which is an interesting one, and I think we should, you know, take it seriously. But this is an acceleration. It's much more explicit, and it's an invitation to Cuban Americans to invest in Cuba.

韦斯汀:6月,古巴立法者通过了176项全面的自由市场改革,包括扩大外国和私人投资、古巴经济去中心化,以及旅游、银行、房地产和农业等要素的自由化。——我们听到了古巴方面的这一声明,这很有趣,我认为我们应该认真对待。但这是一次加速,更加明确,并且是邀请古巴裔美国人到古巴投资。

It includes privatizations, a wider opening to foreign investment, and the actual withdrawal of the government from central planning system. In this very difficult context in 2026, the balance seems to have tipped in favor of those who favor market reforms. But they have a credibility problem. Westin: Pavel Vidal is a professor at Pontificia Universidad Javeriana in Cali, Colombia. He is Cuban-born and worked at Cuba's central bank and the Center for the Study of the Cuban Economy until he left the country in 2012.

这包括私有化、更广泛地向外国投资开放,以及政府实际退出中央计划体系。在2026年这个非常困难的背景下,天平似乎倾向于支持市场改革的一方。但他们存在信誉问题。韦斯汀:帕维尔·维达尔是哥伦比亚卡利哈维里亚纳大学教授,出生于古巴,曾在古巴中央银行和古巴经济研究中心工作,直到2012年离开古巴。

We need to see how they move forward with these reforms to effectively demonstrate that these aren't temporary reforms, mere cosmetic changes or announcements, but that they are genuinely willing to change the ownership structure, the mechanisms of the economy, and that the state will withdraw from the economy, giving more room to domestic and foreign capital. Westin: But where some see the promise of the announced reforms, others are deeply skeptical.

我们需要看到他们如何推进这些改革,以有效证明这些不是临时性的改革、仅仅是表面上的改变或公告,而是他们真正愿意改变所有制结构、经济机制,并且国家将从经济中退出,为国内和外国资本提供更多空间。韦斯汀:但有些人看到了所宣布改革的前景,而另一些人则深表怀疑。

Particularly some Cuban-American investors eager to return to investing in their home country. -They are afraid, as a communist dictatorship, of the entrepreneurial class having actually freedom and actually having, essentially, an opposition that can challenge their government. Westin: Andro Nodarse-Leon is a Cuban-American hotelier whose LionGrove has substantial real estate investments in the United States. -They're never going to allow for any meaningful amount of private market activity.

特别是那些渴望回国投资的古巴裔美国投资者。——他们害怕,作为一个共产主义独裁政权,企业家阶层真正拥有自由,并且实际上拥有一个可以挑战他们政府的反对派。韦斯汀:安德罗·诺达尔斯-莱昂是一位古巴裔美国酒店经营者,他的LionGrove公司在美国拥有大量房地产投资。——他们永远不会允许任何有意义的私人市场活动。

They're completely lying, you know, and it's a farce, you know, these steps that they're taking with these supposed reforms. They're doing it to buy time. They're doing it because they're trying to run out the clock on the Trump administration and the efforts of President Trump and Secretary Marco Rubio. That's what they're playing for. The Cuban people know it. -We just want them to be a nicely-run country. We're going to let our people go back and let them invest in Cuba if they'd like.

他们完全在撒谎,你知道的,这是一场闹剧,你知道的,他们采取这些所谓改革的步骤。他们这样做是为了拖延时间。他们这样做是因为他们试图拖到特朗普政府和特朗普总统及国务卿马可·卢比奥的努力结束。这就是他们的目的。古巴人民知道这一点。-我们只是希望他们成为一个管理良好的国家。我们打算让我们的民众回去,如果他们愿意,让他们在古巴投资。

Westin: Essential to President Trump's plans to open Cuba up to U.S. investment are the heavy sanctions he has imposed, sanctions that have hit the Cuban economy hard, including one of the most promising sectors, tourism. Since May, hotel groups including Melia, Iberostar, Blue Diamond and Archipelago International have either pulled the plug or curtailed operations. And the number of visits last year were down 62 percent from the country's peak in 2018, the lowest in 20 years other than during the COVID-19 pandemic. -The offering of services in Cuba is obviously significantly limited by how broken that economy is.

韦斯汀:特朗普总统向美国投资开放古巴的计划中,关键是他施加的严厉制裁,这些制裁严重打击了古巴经济,包括最有前景的行业之一——旅游业。自5月以来,包括美利亚、伊贝罗斯塔、蓝钻和群岛国际在内的酒店集团要么撤资,要么缩减运营。去年的游客数量比2018年的峰值下降了62%,是20年来除新冠疫情期间外的最低点。-古巴的服务供应显然受到经济崩溃的严重限制。

And so for many years now, the tourism market in Cuba, you know, was not a market that had five-star properties. I mean, upper-upscale luxury was not really something that you saw in a significant way in Cuba. It was a lower-rated market. The good thing is that there is a significant amount of existing properties there, existing assets and existing infrastructure within the tourism industry. I think it requires firms like ours going and acquiring those properties, reinvesting and reimagining and upgrading those properties, and also bringing the operating conditions of those properties to a world-class scale.

因此,多年来,古巴的旅游市场,你知道,并不是一个拥有五星级物业的市场。我的意思是,高端奢华在古巴并不常见。这是一个评级较低的市场。好消息是,那里有大量现有物业、现有资产和旅游行业内的现有基础设施。我认为需要像我们这样的公司去收购这些物业,重新投资、重新构想和升级这些物业,并将这些物业的运营条件提升到世界级水平。

And so that's the lens through which we're looking at investing in Cuba. Surely there will also be the development of brand-new resorts. I think there will be an opportunity for the development of branded residential product, right, which often is joined together with resorts or other types of hospitality properties. And so we think the future is very bright in that sector, without a doubt, and it's a very important pillar of the economic recovery of the island.

因此,这就是我们看待在古巴投资的视角。当然,还会有全新度假村的开发。我认为将有机会开发品牌住宅产品,对吧,这通常与度假村或其他类型的酒店物业相结合。因此,我们认为该行业的未来无疑非常光明,并且它是该岛经济复苏的重要支柱。

Tourism seems to be a sector, at least initially, that can generate opportunities, especially if travel restrictions for US citizens are eased. They could provide the natural market for a boom in visitor arrivals, as happened, for example, with the easing of sanctions and travel restrictions during the Obama administration. Westin: Vidal says at this point the Cuban government isn't looking to places like Mexico or Chile to inform its economic policies.

旅游业似乎是一个至少初步能够创造机会的行业,特别是如果美国公民的旅行限制被放宽的话。他们可能为游客人数的激增提供天然市场,例如在奥巴马政府期间放宽制裁和旅行限制时就是这样。韦斯汀:维达尔表示,目前古巴政府并不指望墨西哥或智利等国家来指导其经济政策。

It most often cites Vietnam or even China. As Cuba seeks to rebuild its economy, are there lessons it can learn from other Latin American countries? Yes, well, normally the models the Cuban government tends to look to are Vietnam and China, especially since they are making economic changes and so far have not mentioned political changes. So that transformation model, where there are economic changes without political changes, well, that's their preference.

它最常引用越南甚至中国。随着古巴寻求重建经济,它可以从其他拉丁美洲国家学到什么教训吗?是的,嗯,通常古巴政府倾向于参考的模式是越南和中国,尤其是因为它们正在进行经济改革,而到目前为止还没有提及政治改革。所以那种经济改革而不伴随政治改革的转型模式,嗯,那是他们的偏好。

I'm not saying that's the model tha

我并不是说那就是模式

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