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DeepSeek V4 与 DSH:从 TypeScript 到 AGI

> Haskeller

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> Haskeller understandable. By the way. time for my statement on DSH. Consider it a non-technical view from 100K feet; I am a bit high. I wouldn't overindex on "TypeScript". It's transient, just like V4's specific clunky design choices (hash router, softplus gating…); it's half a tribute to the genuineness of the talented contributor who joined the team, half a casual shortcut to speed up the onboarding, and 120K stars on Gitbub in 4 days all but ensure this gambit succeeds. Most of those stars are dead. But they don't want more "users". They want to find 99.999th percentile friends who will see it for what it is. It's not Cordis. Cordis is Cordis, a proof of concept born out of a mundane necessity. DSH is a mission statement that will reverberate all the way down the abstraction ladder; to Rust, to kernels, to the finite automata, to DeepSeek-branded hardware that V5+ will help design the substrate for. Plenty of room at the bottom! Once they have their guarantees and sufficiently polished models, this runtime will begin rewriting itself into ever lower-level mechanisms. The whole "V4" is a very philosophically radical AGI project that far exceeds the peasants' "cheap and almost as good… but meh, not GPT-good! Not even Kimi- or GLM-good! wait why isn't it cheap? boo!" perception, to say nothing of programmer bros who feel status anxiety and dunk on math/CS showboating in the paper. Faced with resource scarcity, the Whale responds not so much with some "efficiency innovation" as with escalating the ambition, diving ever deeper into the unknown. From V4's entirely deterministic, bitwise-batch-invariant, training-inference-aligned rollouts across hundreds of thousands of sandboxes, to the "provably reversible infinitely extensible meta-harness [oops limited to persistent bash and string editor lol]" doctrine, it is one single pure note which is almost impossible to hear yet; you need to be a sage, a zhenren with an ear attuned to the will of the Heaven, like Liang Sheng, to notice; or his arguably sane fanboy to infer from breadcrumbs. It's closer to the parallelized vision of a Gödel machine without the learning-hostile demand for provable improvement than to another Claude Code or OpenClaw killer; it's emacs that's actually, finally, alive; it's @SchmidhuberAI's (again) Neural Computer that drops the everything-in-the-weights stretch goal which betrays explicit algorithms for nothing; it's even @allTheYud's Flare, only without skill issues. It's the true and good, economically viable, executable, neurosymbolic endgame of language models, the glimpse of the Holy Grail of CS, and the Seed of the Mind that can power a civilization of human-machine symbiosis, which automatically dissolves all problems into composable algorithmic puzzles to solve. Ah, right. Liang argues that continual learning is the last hurdle before the endgame of "gradual singularity"; the last thing they'll need to do before this thing makes embodied AGI in their stead. How this is relevant to DSH: left as exercise for the reader. Few will understand yet, or accept… Oh well, that's what DeepSeek (杭州深度求索人工智能基础技术研究有限公司) is about from the start. 路曼曼其脩遠兮, 吾將上下而求索。

> Haskeller 可以理解。 顺便说一句,是时候发表我对 DSH 的看法了。请把它看作是从十万英尺高空俯瞰的非技术视角;我有点飘飘然。 我不会过度强调“TypeScript”。它是短暂的,就像 V4 特定的笨拙设计选择(哈希路由、softplus 门控等)一样;这既是对加入团队的天才贡献者的真诚致敬,也是加速入职的随意捷径,而四天内 GitHub 上 12 万颗星几乎保证了这一策略的成功。那些星星大多是死粉。但他们不想要更多“用户”。他们想找到那些能看清其本质的万分之一的精英朋友。 这不是 Cordis。Cordis 就是 Cordis,一个源于平凡需求的概念验证。DSH 是一份使命宣言,它将沿着抽象阶梯一路回响;到 Rust,到内核,到有限自动机,到 DeepSeek 品牌的硬件,V5+ 将帮助设计其底层基础。底层大有可为!一旦他们获得了保证和足够精良的模型,这个运行时将开始自我重写为越来越底层的机制。 整个“V4”是一个哲学上非常激进的 AGI 项目,远远超出了普通人的“便宜且几乎一样好……但嗯,不如 GPT 好!甚至不如 Kimi 或 GLM 好!等等,为什么它不便宜?嘘!”的认知,更不用说那些感到地位焦虑并抨击论文中数学/计算机科学炫耀的程序员兄弟们了。面对资源稀缺,鲸鱼与其说是以某种“效率创新”来回应,不如说是提升雄心,更深入地潜入未知。从 V4 的完全确定性、逐位批量不变、训练推理对齐的跨数十万沙盒的推出,到“可证明可逆的无限可扩展元框架 [哎呀,仅限于持久 bash 和字符串编辑器,哈哈]”的信条,这是一个单一纯粹的音符,几乎还听不到;你需要成为圣人,像梁生那样能聆听天意的真人,才能注意到;或者他那个还算理智的粉丝从蛛丝马迹中推断出来。它更接近于哥德尔机器的并行化愿景,而没有对可证明改进的敌视学习的要求;它不是另一个 Claude Code 或 OpenClaw 杀手;它是终于活过来的 emacs;它是 @SchmidhuberAI 的(再次)神经计算机,放弃了将所有内容放入权重的延伸目标,这背叛了显式算法;它甚至是 @allTheYud 的 Flare,只是没有技能问题。它是语言模型的真实、善良、经济可行、可执行、神经符号的终局,是计算机科学圣杯的一瞥,是能够推动人机共生文明的思维种子,它自动将所有问题分解为可组合的算法难题来解决。 啊,对了。梁认为持续学习是“渐进奇点”终局前的最后一道障碍;在这东西替他们制造具身 AGI 之前,他们需要做的最后一件事。这与 DSH 的相关性:留给读者作为练习。 很少有人会理解,或接受……哦,好吧,这就是 DeepSeek(杭州深度求索人工智能基础技术研究有限公司)从一开始就做的事情。路曼曼其脩遠兮,吾將上下而求索。

I should care less about how the xiaoren react. Because he doesn't. As was said 2300 years ago and again on the V4-Preview launch this April:「不诱于誉,不恐于诽,率道而行,端然正己。」

我应该少在意小人如何反应。因为他并不在意。正如2300年前所说,以及今年四月V4-Preview发布时再次引用的:「不诱于誉,不恐于诽,率道而行,端然正己。」

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