特朗普“黄金时代”叙事与选民负担能力焦虑冲突
Trump's ‘Golden Age’ Pitch Meets Voter Affordability Frustration
Catherine Lucey is traveling with the president in New Jersey. I'm glad to say she joins us now live. Catherine, it's great to see you. The president talking about the golden age, which you're seizing on in your great column. With eighty days to the midterms, however, there are great great questions about the state of our economy, prices, of course, the cost of energy with the war in Iran, and a lot of Republicans who are running for election right now, not named Donald Trump, are pretty worried about the narrative coming out of the White House.
凯瑟琳·卢西正陪同总统在新泽西州。我很高兴地说,她现在加入我们的直播。凯瑟琳,很高兴见到你。总统谈到了黄金时代,你在你的精彩专栏中抓住了这一点。然而,距离中期选举还有八十天,关于我们的经济状况、物价,当然还有伊朗战争导致的能源成本,以及许多现在竞选公职但不叫唐纳德·特朗普的共和党人,都非常担心白宫传出的说法。
What's the administration think? I mean, that's right. You know, the president, like we saw last night, talking about a golden age, you know, saying he doesn't regret anything with the Iran war. He talked on his way there about how great, the economy was doing from the perspective of Wall Street. But what we're seeing is his his narrative and his messaging really bump up against the concerns of a lot of Americans. And we see this in polling.
政府怎么看?我的意思是,没错。你知道,总统,就像我们昨晚看到的,谈论黄金时代,你知道,说他对伊朗战争不后悔。他在去那里的路上谈到了从华尔街的角度来看经济有多好。但我们看到的是,他的说法和他的信息传递确实与许多美国人的担忧相冲突。我们在民调中看到了这一点。
We see this in our reporting that Americans remain deeply concerned about the economy. They are concerned about Trump's handling the economy. People are frustrated about prices, and those concerns continue to mount. People are frustrated about, gas prices and the Iran war and the impact that's had on oil. Mhmm. And so you have this situation where the president is pitching, you know, one narrative about the economy, and and there is some data to back it up.
我们在报道中看到,美国人仍然对经济深感担忧。他们担心特朗普处理经济的方式。人们对物价感到沮丧,这些担忧持续增加。人们对汽油价格、伊朗战争及其对石油的影响感到沮丧。嗯。所以你有这种情况,总统在推销一种关于经济的说法,而且有一些数据支持它。
But voters lived experience is very, very different, and this puts Republicans running in those midterm races, in a tough position. They're trying to address cost of living concerns. They don't wanna criticize the president, and they're running against Democrats who have really seized against affordability as their leading midterm message and are hammering them on it. And, you know, the White White House says the president has a positive story to tell.
但选民的生活体验非常非常不同,这使得参加中期选举的共和党人处于困境。他们试图解决生活成本问题。他们不想批评总统,而他们正在与民主党人竞争,民主党人确实抓住了负担能力作为他们中期选举的首要信息,并在这方面猛烈抨击他们。而且,你知道,白宫说总统有一个积极的故事要讲。
He wants to talk about, the the tax bill from last year. He wants to talk about the wins that he's had. But there are certainly some Republicans who say he also needs to acknowledge, how voters are feeling, and would like to see more on that front. You know, Catherine, you mentioned gas prices. The president did talk about that last night. Let's listen what he had to say. For you to pay a tiny little bit more for your gasoline, just remember, you're doing it so that a very evil country cannot have a country really is the number one state sponsor of terror in the world.
他想谈论去年的税收法案。他想谈论他取得的胜利。但肯定有一些共和党人说,他也需要承认选民们的感受,并希望在这方面看到更多。你知道,凯瑟琳,你提到了汽油价格。总统昨晚确实谈到了这一点。让我们听听他说了什么。为了让你为汽油多付一点点钱,只要记住,你这样做是为了让一个非常邪恶的国家不能成为一个国家,这个国家真的是世界上恐怖主义的头号支持者。
We don't wanna have them have a nuclear weapon. So remember that when you have to pay a little bit more, you're at $4. It's okay. I mean, it's I'm not I'm not I'll never apologize. I did the right thing. That, of course, was president Trump last night. I mean, gas prices, this is about something you know, you feel it in your pocketbook or your wallet. How does this resonate with voters? Does this make an impact to have the president say something like this, Catherine?
我们不希望他们拥有核武器。所以记住,当你不得不稍微多付一点钱时,油价在4美元,这没关系。我的意思是,我并不是说,我永远不会道歉。我做了正确的事。那当然是昨晚特朗普总统说的。我的意思是,油价,这是你熟悉的事情,你能在钱包里感受到它。这对选民有什么影响?总统说这样的话会产生影响吗,凯瑟琳?
Do do voters react negatively to it? Because polls certainly show this is not a popular president right now. Also, this is not a popular president and gas prices are not popular, and and this is the thing that was a problem as well for president Joe Biden. One of the things with gas, gas and groceries are a thing that people are paying for every week, every couple days. So that number really hits them. They see it constantly, and so it really weighs on people.
选民们对此有负面反应吗?因为民调确实显示,目前这位总统并不受欢迎。而且,这位总统不受欢迎,油价也不受欢迎,这也是乔·拜登总统面临的问题。油价和食品杂货是人们每周、每隔几天就要支付的东西。所以这个数字确实对他们影响很大。他们经常看到它,所以它确实给人们带来了压力。
I was out earlier this year, a couple months ago in, you know, Iowa, a state that's been, like, really a battleground state this year. Mhmm. And there were a lot of voters who said, you know, I understand what president Trump's trying to do in Iran, but, you know, I'm worried about how long this is gonna go. And I think that's part of the problem even for some of our supporters is just how how long is this gonna take.
今年早些时候,几个月前,我去过爱荷华州,你知道,这个州今年真的是一个战场州。嗯。有很多选民说,你知道,我理解特朗普总统在伊朗试图做什么,但是,你知道,我担心这会持续多久。我认为这是问题的一部分,即使对我们的一些支持者来说,也是这需要多长时间。
And, certainly, that that clip, I mean, if you're running against a Republican, I could see Democrats, you know, try to use that to to suggest that the president is is not in touch with how voters are feeling. You know, we played that clip of the president last evening to congresswoman, Gwen Moore, democrat from Wisconsin whose eyes popped when she heard him say a teeny little bit more. It's $4.07 nationally today, Catherine, in New York where the president was speaking, $4.13.
而且,当然,那段视频,我的意思是,如果你是在与共和党人竞争,我可以看到民主党人,你知道,试图利用这一点来暗示总统不了解选民们的感受。你知道,我们昨晚播放了总统的这段视频给国会议员格温·摩尔,来自威斯康星州的民主党人,当她听到他说“稍微多一点点”时,她的眼睛都瞪大了。今天全国平均油价是4.07美元,凯瑟琳,在总统发表讲话的纽约,是4.13美元。
What are you hearing $4. That's hard for people. Absolute so what are you hearing off the record, off the air from the administration knowing that these prices might still be right where they are now in November? It's a mix, honestly, guys. I think, you know, they do really feel like there are positive things they have done. They use and you saw the president talk about some of those things last night. You know, they wanna talk about no tax on tips, you know, some of the other efforts they've made, you know, some of other things that they they think are an argument about prices.
你听到了什么?4美元。这对人们来说很难。绝对。那么,你从政府那里非正式地、私下听到了什么,知道这些价格在11月可能仍然和现在一样?说实话,各位,情况很复杂。我认为,你知道,他们确实觉得自己做了一些积极的事情。他们使用,你看到总统昨晚谈到了其中一些事情。你知道,他们想谈论取消小费税,你知道,他们所做的其他一些努力,你知道,他们认为这些是关于价格的一些论据。
But, you know, there there is an acknowledgment that they're they're not sure how or when this the conflict turnaround is gonna end or, you know, when this is gonna come down. They do keep arguing that they believe me for the president to say this publicly, you know, that when this conflict ends, those those prices will come down. We will see if that happens. But, yeah, this is a it's a it's a tough situation for those Republicans running in in tight races because it's not really clear what that timeline is gonna be.
但是,你知道,他们承认他们不确定这场冲突的转折会如何或何时结束,或者,你知道,这什么时候会平息。他们确实一直争辩说,他们认为总统公开这么说,你知道,当这场冲突结束时,那些价格会下降。我们会看看这是否会发生。但是,是的,对于参加激烈竞选的共和党人来说,这是一个艰难的局面,因为目前还不清楚时间表会是什么。
Catherine, a favorite scapegoat of president Trump is president Biden. He's a fan of saying he inherited a historically bad economy. I recall coming off the Biden administration, we talked about American exceptionalism and that The United States was the envy of the world. It feels very different. We talk a lot about a k shaped economy. Yes. The market maybe be hitting records, at certain points or recent points, but there are lot of Americans that certainly don't feel that or benefit from it.
凯瑟琳,特朗普总统最喜欢的替罪羊是拜登总统。他喜欢说他继承了一个历史性的糟糕经济。我记得在拜登政府结束后,我们谈到了美国例外主义,美国是世界的羡慕对象。现在感觉非常不同。我们经常谈论K型经济。是的。市场可能在某个时刻或最近创下纪录,但很多美国人肯定没有这种感觉或从中受益。
What do the statistics say? Bloomberg, we love data. Is it a good economy that, president Trump is overseeing right now? I I don't even know if that's in my paper to say if it's a good or bad economy. I think from where I sit, though, for people's lived experience, many Americans do not feel like this is a good economy. They feel like prices keep rising. They feel like they can't get ahead. People are struggling with the cost of gas, with the cost of food, with the cost of housing.
统计数据怎么说?彭博社,我们喜欢数据。特朗普总统现在监管的经济是好的吗?我甚至不知道我是否应该在我的文章中说这是好经济还是坏经济。我认为,从我的角度来看,对于人们的生活体验,许多美国人并不觉得这是一个好的经济。他们觉得物价持续上涨。他们觉得自己无法进步。人们在汽油、食品和住房成本上挣扎。
And so people don't feel like and I think that's, you know and and that's a thing that we we have that's been growing, and that's a feeling that's been growing for some time. But, certainly, president Trump has been president for, well over a year now. It is his economy. He is responsible for it, and, and people are really frustrated. President said last evening you remember the whole don't take him literally, take him seriously line in the sometimes you don't know which one to choose here.
所以人们不觉得,我认为这是,你知道,这是我们一直在增长的东西,这种感觉已经增长了一段时间。但是,当然,特朗普总统已经担任总统超过一年了。这是他的经济。他对此负责,人们真的很沮丧。总统昨晚说了,你还记得整个“不要从字面上理解他,要认真对待他”的说法,有时你不知道在这里该选哪一个。
He told that crowd last evening, and it did sound like he was kinda joking, but maybe not, that when this is all said and done in the war with Iran that we would make the Strait Of Hormuz US territory. Should we take that seriously, literally, or neither? He he was laughing a little bit as he said it. I think the White House, you know, later tried to clarify that that wasn't a a serious proposal. I I think I I think what he is trying to do is project strength.
他昨晚对那群人说,听起来他有点开玩笑,但也许不是,当与伊朗的战争结束后,我们会把霍尔木兹海峡变成美国领土。我们应该认真对待、从字面上理解,还是两者都不?他说的时候有点笑。我认为白宫,你知道,后来试图澄清那不是认真的提议。我认为他试图做的是展现力量。
Yep. He is trying to he is trying to make clear that he thinks he still has cards to play. You know, you you obviously, the president the White House and the administration is talking about more economic moves. And so the president, you know, is is looking for a path forward and, ultimately, an off ramp here. They have been struggling to do that, and that we know that privately, this situation has been a great frustration for him and that he is frustrated they have not been able to figure a way a way forward.
是的。他试图表明他仍然有牌可打。你知道,显然,总统、白宫和政府正在讨论更多的经济举措。所以总统正在寻找前进的道路,最终是退出策略。他们一直在努力做到这一点,我们知道私下里,这种情况让他非常沮丧,他感到沮丧的是他们未能找到前进的方法。
You know, what's interesting too, Catherine Joe, I don't I'm sure you guys tal
你知道,还有一件有趣的事,凯瑟琳·乔,我不确定你们是否谈过……
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