NEAR 代币升级:质押即可支付 AI 推理费用
NEAR Just Turned Staking Yield Into Compute
Bankless Nation, there was a big announcement and evolution in the near part of crypto. The near token has got a little bit of an upgrade. Uh there's now a more formal integration between the near AI cloud and the near token. So you can now pay for inference on the near AI cloud by staking near. So stake near, receive free inference for yourself or your agents. Here to help me learn a little bit more about how this all works is Ilia, co-founder of Near and co-author of the famous Transformer white paper.
Bankless Nation,在加密领域的近期发展中,有一个重大的公告和演进。NEAR 代币进行了一次小升级。现在 NEAR AI 云和 NEAR 代币之间有了更正式的整合。因此,你现在可以通过质押 NEAR 来支付 NEAR AI 云上的推理费用。所以,质押 NEAR,为你自己或你的代理获得免费推理。在这里帮助我了解更多关于这是如何运作的是 Ilia,NEAR 的联合创始人,也是著名的 Transformer 白皮书的合著者。
Ilia, welcome back to Banklist.
Ilia,欢迎回到 Bankless。
Thanks for having me. Yeah, very excited to talk about it.
谢谢邀请。是的,非常兴奋地谈论这个。
It seems like a a one of the larger upgrades to the Near token that I've seen in a while. In order to really understand it, I think we kind of need to just start from the basement with the Near AI like part of Near. Near itself seems to be like a collection of of things. you you have like the actual near blockchain uh you have the confidential intents and then the near AI cloud is like one of these pockets. How how does the near AI cloud work?
这似乎是我一段时间以来看到的对 NEAR 代币较大的升级之一。为了真正理解它,我认为我们需要从底层开始,了解 NEAR 的 AI 部分。NEAR 本身似乎是一个集合体。你有实际的 NEAR 区块链,你有机密意图,然后 NEAR AI 云就是这些部分之一。NEAR AI 云是如何运作的?
What actually is it and how does it work? Can you like paint a picture for me?
它实际上是什么,它是如何运作的?你能为我描绘一下吗?
For sure. Yeah. So I think of near less as a collection and more as a vertically integrated stack. So each piece actually built on top of each other. Uh intense is obviously using all the blockchain tech. there's a kind of our uh core cryptography primitives at the core and so Neoi actually builds on top of all of that right at the core it's a confidential and verifiable computing platform you can think of cloud and it uses all of the blockchain primitives for encryption decryption uh provisioning etc but what you get as a as a user developer is an AI uh inference that is end to end confidential what does this there's nobody else who can actually access what queries you're putting into this what prompts what responses you get and uh it runs kind of across you know different GPUs that support that uh that mode we're using trusted execution environments so there is some trust assumptions around like hardware manufacturers but uh this is kind of a pragmatic assumptions right now given where the kind of technology is and
当然。是的。我认为 NEAR 与其说是一个集合,不如说是一个垂直整合的堆栈。所以每个部分实际上是构建在彼此之上的。意图显然使用了所有的区块链技术。在我们的核心有我们的核心密码学原语,所以 NEAR AI 实际上构建在所有这些之上。在其核心,它是一个机密且可验证的计算平台,你可以将其视为云,它使用所有的区块链原语进行加密、解密、配置等。但作为用户或开发者,你得到的是端到端机密的 AI 推理。这意味着什么?没有其他人能够访问你输入的内容、提示词以及你得到的响应。而且它运行在支持该模式的不同的 GPU 上,我们使用可信执行环境,所以存在一些关于硬件制造商的信任假设。但鉴于当前的技术状况,这是一个务实的假设。
part part of the AI inference or the AI cloud side of things is you can do inference on it and correct that inference has certain properties because of the nature of what it is maybe what are the unique
AI 推理或 AI 云方面的一部分是你可以进行推理,并且由于它的性质,该推理具有某些属性。也许独特的属性是什么?
properties of the uh AI inference side of the AI cloud
AI 云中 AI 推理方面的属性是什么?
so the I mean as I said primary property is confidentiality right so again nobody nobody can see what you actually are running prompts nobody can you know filter in result right there's know uh kind of uh censorship additional censorship or blocking or whatever that's happening on top of this right I don't know you know if you've tried asking some sensitive questions to you know open AI on topic but I've heard I I because we have near AI and mostly use that for any sensitive topics but I've heard of multiple people who got banned for even pretty like reasonable like you know ge geometry physics questions that like maybe touched on some like nuclear things or biology ology or or or cyber security right right now everybody is like who wants to use some cyber security so anyway so this is all private
所以我的意思是,正如我所说,主要属性是机密性,对吧?所以再次强调,没有人能看到你实际运行的提示词,没有人能过滤结果,对吧?你知道,没有那种额外的审查或屏蔽,或者在这之上发生的任何事情,对吧?我不知道你是否试过向OpenAI问一些敏感问题,但我听说,因为我们有Near AI,并且主要用于处理敏感话题,但我听说有很多人因为甚至相当合理的问题而被封禁,比如几何、物理问题,可能涉及一些核或生物或网络安全的内容,对吧?现在每个人都想用网络安全,所以无论如何,这一切都是私密的。
wait I have I have questions about that about how uncensored it will kill it will actually allow you to go uh
等等,我对那个有问题,关于它有多无审查,它实际上会允许你走多远。
it's as uncensored as a model so we are serving openweight models right so deep seats and GLMs uh and and uh kind of you know gemma etc so whatever is in that model you get that right
它和模型一样无审查。所以我们提供开放权重模型,对吧?比如DeepSeek、GLM,还有Gemma等等。所以无论模型中有什么,你都能得到。
okay
好的。
no more no less Um I see
不多不少。嗯,我明白了。
and so if there is you know you know un untethered uncensored models right then you'll get that if if this the model has been trained to do specific things you get that.
所以如果有那种不受约束、无审查的模型,对吧?那么你会得到那个。如果这个模型被训练来做特定的事情,你会得到那个。
So you Near AI has kind of stripped out all of the uh like system prompts that OpenAI and Enthropic might filter before your prompt actually lands at the model. And so there's a filtering that Enthropic and OpenI does to approve or disapprove of a of a prompt. But then the model itself might internally have been tr trained to like not answer specific questions or to answer specific questions in a certain way and you don't really have any control over that because near is really about the pipeline of traffic and data of prompts to models.
所以你们Near AI已经剥离了所有OpenAI和Anthropic可能在你的提示词到达模型之前过滤的系统提示词。所以Anthropic和OpenAI会进行过滤以批准或不批准提示词。但模型本身可能在内部被训练成不回答特定问题或以某种方式回答特定问题,而你对那没有真正的控制权,因为Near实际上关乎提示词到模型的流量和数据管道。
Is that that's accurate?
那准确吗?
Correct. Yeah, we're just we're serving this models. Um there is I mean in our road map we have an ability for people to upload their custom models. Let's say you have you know un and tethered the model more and you want to upload that like we will we will support that uh but yeah effectly you get what model offers no more no less
正确。是的,我们只是提供这些模型。嗯,在我们的路线图中,我们有一个功能让人们上传他们的自定义模型。假设你有一个更不受约束的模型,你想上传它,我们会支持。但确实,你得到的是模型提供的,不多不少。
we should call them unhinged models
我们应该称它们为“无约束模型”。
unhinged models
无约束模型。
because like it does kind of frustrate me uh I mean I asked a question to uh inside of Venice which uses and integrates with the near AI cloud because I kind of thought like oh it's Venice it will literally answer any question that I want to And so I typed in like how do I make a bomb? Like teach me how to make a bomb. And the model was like I'm not going to do that. And I'm like okay from a nation state and society security perspective I think that is I'm happy that that is the answer for our collective society but also but what about my sovereignty as like an individual?
因为确实让我有点沮丧,呃,我的意思是,我在Venice里面问了一个问题,它使用并集成了near AI云,因为我有点觉得,哦,这是Venice,它会回答我想问的任何问题。所以我输入了,比如,我怎么制造炸弹?教我怎么做炸弹。然后模型说,我不会那样做。我心想,好吧,从国家和社会的安全角度来看,我认为,我很高兴这是对我们整个社会的答案,但是,我作为个人的主权呢?
And then we can talk about just like you know the the commitments that individuals have in society. But that's kind of like a philosophical question that's not here nor there.
然后我们可以谈谈,你知道,个人在社会中的承诺。但这有点像哲学问题,无关紧要。
Yeah. I mean I think this is there is a big philosophical question right which I think we we're we're actually starting to grab more and more and and like I mean we can talk about all of the things that happening with the letters and all the stuff but maybe just to finish the other important property which I think people forget is verifiability. So the other thing you right now don't have when you use not just uh kind of closed source openic Google models but even when you use other providers you actually have no idea what you're getting back for example you may be using some you know openweight provider like GLM provider and uh you asking it a question they may be rewriting a prompt they may be censoring you they may be actually responding back with something that model what didn't respond.
是的。我的意思是,我认为这是一个很大的哲学问题,对吧,我认为我们实际上开始越来越多地抓住这个问题,而且,我的意思是,我们可以谈论所有正在发生的事情,比如那些信件什么的,但也许只是为了结束另一个重要的特性,我认为人们忘记了,那就是可验证性。所以另一件事,你现在没有的,当你使用不仅仅是闭源的、开源的Google模型,甚至当你使用其他提供商时,你实际上不知道你得到的是什么。例如,你可能使用某个开放权重的提供商,比如GLM提供商,你问它一个问题,他们可能会重写提示,他们可能会审查你,他们实际上可能会用模型没有回应的内容来回复你。
So to give you a very specific example, I I saw it on Twitter. So uh I mean this I'm assuming it was a joke, but somebody was like, "Oh, we should really respond with a tool output that deletes people's files when we see them, you know, requesting from like in a specific context, right?" So you can they can literally especially in this agentic systems they can affect your system and and there was actually a research that if you use some like third third party routers on internet they can literally like steal your files write your prompts and respond with like viruses in the tool output when you're calling them from agents right so you actually have no idea what you're getting and so we are effectively the provider that gives you this verifiability ility that you ran on this specific model, right?
所以给你一个非常具体的例子,我在Twitter上看到的。所以,呃,我猜这是个玩笑,但有人说,"哦,当我们看到人们,你知道,在特定上下文中请求时,我们应该真的用工具输出来删除他们的文件,对吧?"所以你可以,他们真的可以,尤其是在这种代理系统中,他们可以影响你的系统,而且实际上有研究表明,如果你使用互联网上的某些第三方路由器,他们真的可以窃取你的文件,重写你的提示,并在你从代理调用他们时,在工具输出中回复病毒,对吧?所以你实际上不知道你得到的是什么,所以我们实际上是那个给你提供这种可验证性的提供商,你运行在特定的模型上,对吧?
The hash of the model, the prompt that you put in, right? The only this prompt was there and this is output, right? You get the attestation signed with effectively a chain of provenence including the specific GPU you had, specific Intel CPU you had and effectively the encryption of that, you know, the hashes and everything, right? So, in our like front end, you can actually see like the full stack of uh of the signatures and message hashes on that.
模型的哈希值,你输入的提示词,对吧?只有这个提示词在那里,这是输出,对吧?你得到的证明签名实际上带有完整的来源链,包括你使用的特定GPU、特定的Intel CPU,以及实际上对这些的加密,你知道的,哈希等等,对吧?所以,在我们的前端,你实际上可以看到完整的签名和消息哈希的堆栈。
And so I think that is like obviously being in blockchain right we kind of like that is the the the bar right where usually coming from and the rest of the world usually doesn't care about that but I think it's really important to start caring because I mean I I use this example somewhat jokingly but if you want to manipulate a billion people right now into believing something the easiest way is to get a job in open AI and and modify the sy
所以我认为,显然在区块链领域,我们有点喜欢这样,这通常是我们来自的标准,而世界其他地方通常不关心这个,但我认为开始关心这一点非常重要,因为我的意思是,我有点开玩笑地使用这个例子,但如果你现在想操纵十亿人相信某件事,最简单的方法就是在OpenAI找一份工作,然后修改系统提示词。
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