美国信用卡拒付率上升:2021至2025年全球增46%
One Weird Trick to Get Your Credit Card Charge Reversed? Fraud. | Everybody's Business
Max Shafkin here from Everybody's Business. Today we're sharing an episode from one of our favorite Bloomberg podcasts, The Big Take. This episode is about friendly fraud and the uptick in credit card chargebacks. It features our Business Week colleague and friend of the show, Amanda Mull. And Stacy and I will be back with a new episode of this podcast, Everybody's Business, on Friday. [music] Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news.
我是《人人商业》的马克斯·沙夫金。今天我们要分享一期我们最喜欢的彭博播客节目《大揭秘》。这一集讲的是“友好欺诈”以及信用卡拒付的上升趋势。节目请到了我们的《商业周刊》同事、节目的朋友阿曼达·穆尔。我和斯泰西将在周五带着《人人商业》的新一期节目回来。[音乐] 彭博音频工作室,播客、广播、新闻。
Amanda Mole has been covering retail for years. She's tracked the demise of American malls, the explosion of fast fashion brands, and recently a growing sense of distrust between customers and merchants.
阿曼达·莫尔多年来一直报道零售业。她追踪了美国购物中心的衰落、快时尚品牌的爆发,以及最近顾客与商家之间日益增长的不信任感。
People feel like they're being scammed left and right.
人们感觉自己处处被骗。
Sneaky subscription services that are hard to get out of. Restrictive return policies. products that just don't meet expectations.
难以退出的隐蔽订阅服务、严格的退货政策、不符合预期的产品。
It's a consumer environment where you feel like you have less and less purchasing power, less and less ability to like talk to another human about a problem you're having. So, people look for ways to uh get back at retailers.
在这种消费环境下,你会觉得自己的购买力越来越弱,越来越难找到真人去沟通遇到的问题。所以,人们会想办法报复零售商。
One of those ways is something called a chargeback. Essentially, disputing a credit card transaction. It is when you go to your credit card issuer and go, "Hey, there's a problem with this transaction or I didn't buy that or I don't recognize this. I want you to reverse the charge. I'm not paying for this."
其中一种方式叫做“拒付”。本质上就是质疑一笔信用卡交易。也就是你去找信用卡发卡行说:“嘿,这笔交易有问题,或者我没买过这个东西,或者我不认识这笔交易。我希望你撤销这笔扣款。我不会为它付钱。”
Pushing back on a credit card charge isn't new. But Amanda found that it is happening more and more and more.
对信用卡扣款提出异议并不是什么新鲜事。但阿曼达发现,这种情况越来越频繁。
From 2021 to 2025, the rate of chargebacks in the US rose about 29% and worldwide it rose about 46%. Some of that is due to a greater number of credit card transactions overall, but most of that is because people are disputing more transactions for a variety of reasons.
从2021年到2025年,美国的拒付率上升了约29%,全球范围内上升了约46%。其中一部分原因是信用卡交易总量增加了,但大部分原因是人们出于各种原因对更多交易提出异议。
Reasons that range from the legitimate,
原因包括合理的,
hey, I ordered this thing online. It never showed up.
比如,我在网上订了东西,但一直没送到。
Yeah,
是的,
they are not giving me a refund, but I didn't receive the product.
他们不给我退款,但我确实没收到货。
To the deceptive,
也有欺骗性的,
yeah, I bought this, but I don't want to pay for it. So, I'm going to tell the bank that it was fraudulent, that it never arrived, that there was an issue with it, so I will just get this for free.
比如,我买了这个东西,但我不想付钱。所以,我会告诉银行这是欺诈,或者东西没到,或者有问题,这样我就能免费得到它。
I'm Sarah Holder, and this [music] is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. Today on the show, how the rise of chargebacks is putting merchants on the defense and pulling banks into the fray and what this growing trend says about shopper psychology [music] and the health of the economy overall. For consumers, filing a chargeback can feel like a quick and easy path to getting a refund. But behind the scenes, it actually triggers what can be a long and complicated process.
我是莎拉·霍尔德,这里是[音乐]彭博新闻的《大事件》。今天节目中,我们将探讨退款争议的兴起如何让商家处于守势,并将银行卷入纷争,以及这一日益增长的趋势如何反映购物者心理[音乐]和整体经济健康状况。对消费者来说,提出退款争议可能感觉是一条快速简便的退款途径。但在幕后,它实际上触发了一个可能漫长而复杂的过程。
The bank goes to the merchant and goes, "You have a transaction dispute. It charges them a fee, which can be, you know, 10, 15, $20 depending on the situation depending on the the vendors involved." And the bank investigates. The bank goes, "Okay, merchant, do you have a tracking number? do you have uh shipper information? Can we contact the shipper? And then a lot of times for a very inexpensive transaction on the other end of the spectrum, the bank may look and go, okay, you can have your $20 back.
银行会联系商家说:“你有一笔交易争议。”他们会收取一笔费用,根据情况和涉及的供应商,这笔费用可能是10美元、15美元或20美元。然后银行进行调查。银行会说:“好的,商家,你有追踪号码吗?有发货人信息吗?我们能联系发货人吗?”很多时候,对于非常便宜的交易,银行可能会看一眼然后说:“好吧,你可以拿回你的20美元。”
This it's going to cost us $20 of labor to even start to look into this, so like we're not worried about it.
因为即使开始调查这件事,也要花费我们20美元的劳动力,所以我们不担心这个。
Okay. So, the rate of these chargebacks is increasing. And you looked at some of the reasons why. The biggest example being chargebacks that begin with a simple misunderstanding, what you call friendly fraud.
好的。所以,这些退款争议的比率正在上升。你研究了一些原因。最大的例子是始于简单误解的退款争议,你称之为“友好欺诈”。
Yeah. So you've bought something as a consumer in what the banking industry calls uh card not present transactions. So that's like all of online shopping plus things that like feel not so much like online shopping but actually are which is like ordering an Uber, ordering Door Dash, like any anything you use an app for that like even if it summons something in real life that is a card not present transaction. If you let your teenager put your card in Apple Pay and they start using it for stuff, because card not present transactions tend to bounce through a lot of like payments vendors and third parties, what they show up as on your credit card statement is sort of anybody's guess.
是的。所以,你作为消费者购买了一些东西,这在银行业被称为“无卡交易”。这包括所有在线购物,以及那些感觉不太像在线购物但实际上是的,比如叫优步、叫DoorDash,任何你使用应用程序的东西,即使它召唤的是现实中的东西,也是无卡交易。如果你让你的青少年把你的卡添加到Apple Pay,他们开始用它买东西,因为无卡交易往往要经过许多支付供应商和第三方,所以它们在你的信用卡账单上显示为什么,谁也说不准。
So, you might look at all of those things and go, I don't recognize any of these names. Who spent $50 on the app store? Like, not me. Like, why would I do that?
所以,你可能会看着所有这些,然后想:我都不认识这些名字。谁在应用商店花了50美元?不是我。我为什么要那样做?
And you're like, where did that charge come from? I need to dispute that charge. And then there's al also the issue of subscriptions. A lot of retailers will include 7 days free or one month free and then a recurring $12 every month that you may agree to and like it's a legitimate transaction in a legal sense, but like you missed that. It was put in a place where like it was designed for you to miss it
然后你会想,这笔费用是从哪里来的?我需要对此提出异议。还有订阅的问题。很多零售商提供7天免费或一个月免费,然后每月自动扣款12美元,你可能同意了,这在法律上是合法交易,但你错过了。它被放在一个设计成让你忽略的地方。
or you sign up for a free trial, you forget to cancel, but you meant to cancel,
或者你注册了免费试用,忘记取消,但你本来打算取消的。
right? You meant to cancel and it you look at your credit card statement and it feels like someone has stolen money from you.
对吧?你本来打算取消,但你看信用卡账单时感觉像是有人偷了你的钱。
Yeah. So all of these transactions are disproportionately likely to be subject to chargebacks when in reality none of those are fraud.
是的。所以所有这些交易都特别容易发生退单,但实际上这些都不是欺诈。
Chargebacks have become really easy to file. Many banking apps have a button that lets you dispute a [music] transaction. Consumers can often feel it's worth a try given that low barrier to entry and the high likelihood of getting a refund on a low dollar transaction,
退单变得非常容易提交。许多银行应用都有一个按钮,让你可以对交易提出异议。消费者通常会觉得值得一试,因为门槛低,而且小额交易退款的可能性很高。
especially if you have a premium credit card. um that's sort of like baked into the service where it's like okay if it's like if you're disputing $7 on the app store that you don't think you bought like that's probably just getting refunded. The credit card wants to keep you happy and also like it is a very labor and timeintensive process to investigate credit card transaction disputes. So if below a certain dollar amount and that can vary across card issuers, they just decide that like hey we're just going to honor these.
特别是如果你有高级信用卡。嗯,这有点像服务中内置的,比如如果你在应用商店对一笔7美元的交易提出异议,认为不是你买的,那可能就直接退款了。信用卡公司想让你满意,而且调查信用卡交易争议是一个非常费时费力的过程。所以如果低于一定金额(不同发卡机构可能不同),他们就会决定,嘿,我们就直接退款吧。
So you also talked about this other category of chargebacks where people are basically intentionally using them to get free stuff.
所以你还提到了另一种退单类别,人们基本上是在故意利用退单来免费获得商品。
Yes. [laughter] Talk about this uh not so friendly fraud. How prevalent is this and how does it work?
是的。[笑声] 谈谈这种不太友好的欺诈。这种情况有多普遍?它是如何运作的?
Well, it's growing in prevalence. I would say what you see with this [music] type of of intentional sort of malfeasants is generally younger consumers. Um, you know, Tik Tok is a place where where young people go to sometimes invent classic types of fraud from first principles. And this is another one. Uh, you know, Tik Tok tries to take these down as they come up. But there's a lot of people on uh various social platforms telling you that like, oh, if you're like upset with how long shipping is taking, do a chargeback.
嗯,这种情况越来越普遍。我想说,这种故意的不当行为通常来自年轻消费者。你知道,TikTok是年轻人有时会从基本原理发明经典欺诈类型的地方。这又是另一种。你知道,TikTok试图在出现时删除这些内容。但在各种社交平台上有很多人告诉你,比如,如果你对发货时间太长感到不满,就做退单。
If you're upset with how long it's taking them to like approve your return, do a chargeback. If you
如果你对他们批准退货的时间太长感到不满,就做退单。如果你
weird trick to get your money back is
拿回钱的奇怪招数是
is fraud. God. [laughter]
欺诈。天哪。[笑声]
Yeah.
是的。
But what you're describing is that, you know, in in part this could be a nefarious impulse to get one over on a retailer. And in part, it's responding to this feeling that consumers have that, you know, inflation is rising. Companies are shrinking the size of their products and charging the same price. There is this feeling among consumers, I think, that they're getting scammed. whether or not those scams are legally actionable.
但你所描述的,你知道,部分可能是为了占零售商便宜的恶意冲动。部分则是对消费者这种感受的回应,即你知道,通货膨胀在上升。公司缩小产品尺寸却收取相同价格。我认为,消费者中有一种感觉,他们被骗了。无论这些骗局是否在法律上可诉。
Having subscription fees baked into everything in a way that like is constantly surprising and that is hard to opt out of is like a bad consumer experience. It feels like being stolen from even if you as a company, you as a merchant followed the letter of the law. like getting rid of your customer service agents in order to divert everybody to an AI bot um that like can't answer specific questions about non-standard policy issues. like that feels like you are being um as a consumer sort of shunted into a system designed to keep your money um even when something has gone wrong and you deserve some sort of redress or just want to talk to a person like
订阅费以某种方式嵌入到所有东西中,这种方式不断让人惊讶,而且很难退出,这是一种糟糕的消费者体验。感觉就像被偷了,即使你作为公司、作为商家遵守了法律条文。比如,为了将所有人转移到AI机器人而裁掉客服人员,而AI机器人无法回答关于非标准政策问题的具体问题。这感觉就像你作为消费者被推入一个旨在保留你金钱的系统,即使出了问题,你应得到某种补偿或只是想和人交谈。
when you are spending your paycheck like you were supposed t
当你花掉工资时,就像你应该做的那样
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