用 Claude Code 搭建自动化业务：从提案到收件箱的实操指南
Claude Code for normal people: skills, voice mode, and how to collaborate with AI
Grace Clarke is an AI educator and former marketing consultant who taught herself Claude Code earlier this year and built a curriculum out of the process. She now runs her entire service business on tools she’s built with Claude, including a pipeline operator, a proposal maker, and a Gmail replacement she created in under 30 minutes, and teaches individuals and teams to do the same.
Grace Clarke 是一位 AI 教育者和前营销顾问，今年早些时候自学了 Claude Code，并在此过程中开发了一套课程。她现在完全依靠自己用 Claude 构建的工具来运营她的服务业务，包括一个流程操作器、一个提案生成器，以及她在 30 分钟内创建的 Gmail 替代品，并教授个人和团队做同样的事情。
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What you’ll learn:
你将学到：
- How to build an hourly pipeline in Claude that moves clients through your process automatically
- Why Grace ditched traditional proposals for password-protected, interactive HTML documents built in Claude
- How she uses a “voice guide” skill file so every Claude output sounds like her, not like AI slop
- The two-step forcing function she teaches non-technical clients to build the muscle of opening Claude
- Why she started building in Claude Code, then handed the work off to Cowork via a Markdown session file
- How she replaced Gmail entirely with a custom inbox
- Why she teaches “intent engineering” instead of prompt engineering, and what that looks like in practice
- How she uses Claude on her phone, on walks, to track workouts and manage plants alongside client work
- 如何在 Claude 中构建一个每小时运行的流程，自动推动客户通过你的流程
- 为什么 Grace 放弃了传统提案，转而使用在 Claude 中构建的受密码保护的交互式 HTML 文档
- 她如何使用“语音指南”技能文件，让每个 Claude 输出听起来像她，而不是像 AI 垃圾内容
- 她教非技术客户建立打开 Claude 的习惯的两步强制函数
- 为什么她开始在 Claude Code 中构建，然后通过 Markdown 会话文件将工作交给 Cowork
- 她如何用自定义收件箱完全取代 Gmail
- 为什么她教“意图工程”而不是提示工程，以及这在实践中是什么样子
- 她如何在手机上、散步时使用 Claude，跟踪锻炼和管理植物，同时处理客户工作
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In this episode, we cover:
在本集中，我们涵盖：
(00:00) Grace’s background and why she started building with Claude
(00:00) Grace 的背景以及她为什么开始使用 Claude 构建
(04:48) The pipeline operator: what it is and how it runs her business every hour
(04:48) 流程操作器：它是什么以及它如何每小时运行她的业务
(08:48) Building the muscle memory to use AI
(08:48) 建立使用 AI 的肌肉记忆
(12:02) What goes into building a skill file (voice guide, proposal rules, versioning)
(12:02) 构建技能文件（语音指南、提案规则、版本控制）涉及什么
(13:50) How she built her proposal maker
(13:50) 她如何构建她的提案生成器
(16:15) The voice guide: teaching Claude how she thinks, not just how she writes
(16:15) 语音指南：教 Claude 她如何思考，而不仅仅是她如何写作
(21:22) Live demo of the custom Gmail replacement built in Cowork
(21:22) 在 Cowork 中构建的自定义 Gmail 替代品的现场演示
(30:44) Workout tracking, plant photos, and tiny daily Claude habits
(30:44) 锻炼跟踪、植物照片和日常使用 Claude 的小习惯
(34:51) The biggest misconception holding people back from adopting AI
(34:51) 阻碍人们采用 AI 的最大误解
(38:36) What Grace does when Claude is not giving her what she wants
(38:36) 当Claude没有给Grace她想要的东西时，Grace会怎么做
(40:38) Claude builds a proposal for Claire in real time
(40:38) Claude实时为Claire构建提案
Tools referenced:
参考工具：
• Claude: https://claude.ai
• Claude: https://claude.ai
• Claude Code: https://claude.ai/code
• Claude Code: https://claude.ai/code
• Netlify: https://www.netlify.com
• Netlify: https://www.netlify.com
• Google Forms: https://forms.google.com
• Google Forms: https://forms.google.com
• Google Sheets: https://sheets.google.com
• Google Sheets: https://sheets.google.com
• Google Cloud (for service accounts and custom connectors): https://cloud.google.com
• Google Cloud（用于服务账户和自定义连接器）：https://cloud.google.com
Other reference:
其他参考：
• Stratechery by Ben Thompson: https://stratechery.com
• Stratechery by Ben Thompson: https://stratechery.com
Where to find Grace Clarke:
在哪里找到Grace Clarke：
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegclarke/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegclarke/
X: https://x.com/graceclarke
X: https://x.com/graceclarke
Where to find Claire Vo:
在哪里找到Claire Vo：
ChatPRD: https://www.chatprd.ai/
ChatPRD: https://www.chatprd.ai/
Website: https://clairevo.com/
网站：https://clairevo.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairevo/
X: https://x.com/clairevo
X: https://x.com/clairevo
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