7月非农疲软但失业率下降:劳动参与率下滑所致
Weak Jobs Data Masked by Falling Unemployment
The difference between the falling unemployment rate on one hand and a very weak payroll on the other hand in July's print was mainly because in the household survey, it shows that the labor force participation continue to fall, driven by people, between age 16 to 24, and those folks are dropping out of the labor market. And because you have a shrinking labor pool, you don't just don't need a lot of, increase in hiring to cause unemployment rate to go down.
7月份数据中,一方面失业率下降,另一方面非农就业人数非常疲软,这两者之间的差异主要是因为家庭调查显示,劳动力参与率持续下降,主要是由16至24岁的人群推动的,这些人正在退出劳动力市场。而且由于劳动力池在缩小,你不需要增加很多招聘就能让失业率下降。
So it is a fall in unemployment rate that's due to the wrong reasons. That's so interesting to me because I always I find that part of that counterintuitive where it's like, well, the unemployment were right down because people gave up and stopped looking for work. It also seems an interesting indication that it's in those ages that you talked about. So it's younger people who are deciding not to be applying for these jobs.
所以失业率下降是由于错误的原因。这对我来说很有趣,因为我总觉得这部分有点反直觉,就像,失业率下降是因为人们放弃并停止寻找工作。这似乎也很有趣地表明,在你提到的那些年龄段。所以是年轻人决定不申请这些工作。
What are they doing? Are they waiting to enter the workforce? Are they seeking higher education, or is that not clear? I think it could be a more, harmless explanation. It could be that it is July after after all, and people, especially the younger folks, folks who are waiting to go to college, the the college students themselves, they are just off vacationing, and they are just not working in their usual summer job and not looking for a summer job in in the thick of July.
他们在做什么?他们在等待进入劳动力市场吗?他们在寻求高等教育,还是不清楚?我认为这可能是一个更无害的解释。毕竟现在是7月,人们,尤其是年轻人,那些等着上大学的人,大学生们自己,他们正在度假,他们不做通常的暑期工作,也不在7月中旬寻找暑期工作。
And I wanna play a bit of sound here from Kevin Hassett, the president's economic adviser. He was on Bloomberg Television on Friday after these numbers were released talking about participation, talking about the data more broadly. Let's take a listen. The labor force participation is kind of on a downward trajectory, which means that the breakeven jobs number, that is the jobs number you need so that unemployment rate doesn't go up, is has gone from maybe a 120, 130,000 a few years ago to maybe about 40,000 now.
我想播放一段总统经济顾问凯文·哈塞特的录音。他在这些数据发布后于周五接受了彭博电视台的采访,谈到了参与率,更广泛地谈到了数据。让我们听一下。劳动力参与率呈下降趋势,这意味着盈亏平衡的就业人数,即保持失业率不上升所需的就业人数,已经从几年前的12万、13万左右下降到现在的4万左右。
And so what it means is that what the market is used to look at at, oh, it's it's like a normal tread the water kind of jobs number if it's around a 100 is no longer true. Wanna get your reaction to what doctor Hasleth said there and also just have you talk a bit more about what you mentioned a moment ago, which is just the the pool of workers here is getting smaller and smaller. Yeah. So he mentioned this breakeven concept.
所以这意味着市场习惯看到的,比如,如果就业人数在10万左右,那就是正常的维持现状的数字,这已经不再正确了。想听听你对哈塞特博士所说的话的反应,也请你再谈谈你刚才提到的,即这里的工人池越来越小。是的。所以他提到了这个盈亏平衡的概念。
So economists estimate this monthly pace of job growth that's needed to keep the unemployment rate constant. And Kevin Hasleth just mentioned his estimate is 40,000. Our estimate is around 55,000. The Fed, in in a recent note, they think that it's closer to zero. So I think that's what he's trying to Kevin Hassett is trying to say to kind of point is that while while we are used to the, you know, 100 k type of monthly payrolls print going forward, even a soft ones that's, you know, between zero to 50,000 and in his mind, 40,000 is actually a tolerable and decent kind of number of job growth.
因此,经济学家们估算出维持失业率不变所需的月度就业增长步伐。凯文·哈塞特刚提到他的估算是4万。我们的估算大约是5.5万。美联储在最近的一份报告中认为这个数字更接近于零。所以我认为这就是他,凯文·哈塞特,试图表达的观点,即尽管我们习惯了未来每月10万级别的就业报告,即使是疲软的数据,介于0到5万之间,在他看来,4万的就业增长实际上是一个可以接受且不错的数据。
And and I think, basically, he's lowering the bar for what constitute a good labor market. When you look at the picture overall, there were a few places where you saw some job growth, and there were places that were hit by job losses a little bit more. Can you just talk us through the different sectors and some patterns that you're seeing? Yeah. So, the the places that produce the largest drag is local government education sector, and it saw a 50,000 decline in a job growth.
而且我认为,他基本上是在降低衡量良好劳动力市场的标准。当你整体看待这一情况时,有些地方出现了就业增长,而有些地方则受到失业打击更多一些。你能跟我们谈谈不同行业的情况以及你看到的一些模式吗?是的。造成最大拖累的是地方政府教育部门,其就业人数减少了5万。
That's pretty substantial. I think this is this decrease, it is noteworthy, and it's not something that you can just sweep under the rugs. I think this is a sign that the higher long end of the yield curve that has been rising for the last three, four months already, that is starting to bite. When you have higher long term treasury yields, that puts upward pressure on mortgage rates, and that has been cooling the housing sector.
这相当可观。我认为这种下降值得注意,不是可以轻易掩盖的事情。我认为这表明,过去三四个月一直在上升的收益率曲线长端开始产生影响了。当长期国债收益率上升时,会给抵押贷款利率带来上行压力,而这已经使房地产行业降温。
And, you know, local government derive a lot of their revenue, from the local property market. So when when local government's budget are for falling short in the first half of this year, going into the the new fiscal year, they will have less to allocate to schools. So that's what I'm, seeing. And, also, going forward to the fall, right before the September FOMC meeting, we have another jobs report. I continue to ex expect the local government sector, education sector to be weak because for this reason, I just don't think it's a one off thing.
而且,你知道,地方政府很大一部分收入来自当地房地产市场。所以当地方政府预算在今年上半年出现缺口时,进入新的财政年度,他们能分配给学校的资金就会减少。这就是我所看到的情况。而且,展望秋季,在9月联邦公开市场委员会会议之前,我们还有另一份就业报告。我继续预计地方政府部门和教育部门会表现疲软,因为出于这个原因,我不认为这是一次性的情况。
Another place that's really weak is leisure and hospitality, and that is due to the reversal of the World Cup hiring. But here even here, I I I think it's, pretty alarming. So, originally, it was supposed to be, not alarming because, in spring, we saw that there was a huge, increase in hiring for leisure and hospitality. But in today's report, we also see a massive downward revisions to the last two months, job print.
另一个真正疲软的领域是休闲和酒店业,这是由于世界杯招聘热潮的逆转。但即使在这里,我认为情况也相当令人担忧。所以,原本这不应该令人担忧,因为春季我们看到休闲和酒店业的招聘大幅增加。但在今天的报告中,我们还看到前两个月的就业数据被大幅下修。
In fact, 100,000 downward revisions to jobs. And a lot of it came from leisure and hospitality sector. You know, while we thought that in April and May, that was a huge increase in hiring in in hotels and food and restaurants, it actually didn't happen. It's or or it's a very mild kind of increase. And now with this last two months, so July and June's negative large negative prints in lesion hospitality, it basically means that on net, it's cutting down lesion hospitality level of employment from even before the World Cup.
事实上,就业岗位被下修了10万个。其中很大一部分来自休闲和酒店业。你知道,虽然我们认为在四月和五月,酒店、餐饮和餐馆的招聘大幅增加,但实际上并没有发生。或者说增长非常温和。而现在随着最近两个月,即七月和六月的休闲酒店业出现大幅负增长,这基本上意味着,从净额来看,休闲酒店业的就业水平甚至低于世界杯之前的水平。
So I think I think that's also pretty weak. All in all, I think the bad news in today's report trumped the positive news. The only really good sector and and in terms of hiring growth is construction, and that's driven by, basically data centers. Oh, wow. That's where AI is manifest in this in this report. I wanna go back to the data. And, of course, you swim in day to day in and day out. But I think there'll be people who look at these revisions and think there's an inherent problem with the data that we're getting on the job market today.
所以我认为这也很疲软。总而言之,我认为今天报告中的坏消息压过了好消息。唯一真正强劲的行业,就招聘增长而言,是建筑业,而这基本上是由数据中心驱动的。哇,这就是人工智能在这份报告中的体现。我想回到数据上来。当然,你日复一日地沉浸其中。但我认为会有人看到这些修正,认为我们今天获得的就业市场数据存在固有问题。
And you listen to the new Fed chair, Kevin Walsh, one of his many task forces is one that's centered on data collection and the way that the Fed looks at looks at data. Do you see inherent problems with the way that we kind of gauge the health of the labor market? Are we not getting the data that we need? Is there some sort of deficit that that is stark based on what we saw here in terms of the revisions today? Yeah.
你听新任美联储主席凯文·沃尔什说,他的众多工作组之一专注于数据收集以及美联储看待数据的方式。你认为我们衡量劳动力市场健康状况的方式存在固有问题吗?我们没有得到所需的数据吗?根据我们今天看到的修正,是否存在某种明显的缺陷?是的。
So downward persistent downward revisions to jobs data has been the trend for the last three years, really. And whenever the direction of revisions is primarily toward one direction, in this case, downward, it suggests that there's something more structural going on that the first cut of the data is not able to show. And, usually, what that means is that the labor market is not as strong as as as as one thought. So this this means that whenever you see a blowout jobs front going forward, like over 200 k, I think we all have to take it with a grain of salt.
所以,就业数据持续向下修正,这实际上是过去三年的趋势。每当修正的方向主要偏向一个方向时,在这种情况下是向下,这表明存在某种更具结构性的问题,而数据的首次发布无法显示出来。而且,这通常意味着劳动力市场并不像人们想象的那么强劲。所以这意味着,今后每当看到就业数据大幅超出预期,比如超过20万,我认为我们都必须持保留态度。
Now as to the precise cause of these downward revisions, well, it is from the birth and death model and then also from the lower response rate in the first survey of the month. And I think BLS is actively trying to address this problem. Earlier this year, the BLS announced a methodological change in the birth and death model that is supposedly, will be better able to capture these real time, increase in hiring and decrease in hiring from jobs going out of business or, new businesses forming.
现在关于这些下调的具体原因,嗯,这来自于出生-死亡模型,以及本月第一次调查中较低的回复率。我认为劳工统计局正在积极尝试解决这个问题。今年早些时候,劳工统计局宣布了对出生-死亡模型的方法论变更,据称这将更好地实时捕捉招聘增加和因企业倒闭或新企业成立而导致的招聘减少。
I think I think the, I think the BLS and other federal agencies are actively trying to work on this problem, and it's it's not because, any federal agencies' is fudging the the numbers. And speaking of Kevin Walsh, they do have another meeting coming up. It looks like your projection is saying you're expecting giving weak payrolls and higher layoffs, which you've been telling us do you think is a stronger signal in the drop in employment rate.
我认为,我认为,我认为劳工统计局和其他联邦机构正在积极努力解决这个问题,这并不是因为任何联邦机构在篡改数据。说到凯文·沃尔什,他们确实还有另一次会议即将召开。看起来你的预测表明你预计会出现疲软的就业数据和更高的裁员,你一直在告诉我们,你认为这是就业率下降的一个更强信号。
We're also expecting a soft CPI to come out. You think that means Fed rates are gonna hold in September? Yes. So so many analysts after today's week drop job report says all atte
我们还预计会有一个疲软的CPI数据出炉。你认为这意味着美联储将在9月维持利率不变吗?是的。所以,许多分析师在今天的疲软就业报告发布后表示,所有注意力都……
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